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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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wilshere host and we have another great

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show for you this evening uh as i

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mentioned we have stan gordon coming up

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um but we have uh sort of breaking news

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so we're going to have dave beatty on

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about the uss kearsarge ufo encounters

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if you've been paying attention to ufo

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news out there you'll see this breaking

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the last couple of days he's going to be

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on for the first 15 minutes or so

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just a couple of things i am

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gonna if you listen to the audio podcast

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on your media player check out to see if

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this works i'm going to start doing a

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video uh podcast so you'll actually see

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a video on your media player as well as

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the audio uh you don't have to watch it

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but i'm just saying it it's going to be

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available it's something i'm

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experimenting with so um it would be

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nice to get feedback from you what you

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think of it if you would at

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martinettepodcastufo.com

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and uh please no more spam i get so much

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spam it's unbelievable but uh i can't

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stop that uh but anyway uh so it'll be a

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fun show this evening we have a stand on

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after uh dave beatty to talk about his

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latest book creepy cryptids and strange

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ufo encounters of pennsylvania he's also

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going to be talking about um some recent

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ufo cases that have happened as well as

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a topic of many ufos i think he's

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talking mostly about orbs

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so anyway i also want to give a shout

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let everyone know to check out a new

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podcast from a friend of the show kate

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colleen

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she has a background in architecture

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and she also has an interest in true

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crime and also in paranormal so the name

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of her podcast is called nightmare

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houses check out

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nightmarehouses.com uh she's got a

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couple of episodes up there i've

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listened to two of them and they're

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great so check that out that's uh link

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is down in the show notes make sure you

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give uh that at check out something is

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happening here

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one of the

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feeds is not working and that has to do

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with you bill sorry about that i'm not

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sure what's going on with that but uh

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hang on just a second have to clear that

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all right so um without further ado i'm

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gonna bring our guests dave beatty and

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dave welcome to the show thank you for

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short notice joining us

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hey martin it's a pleasure to be here as

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you know i always like talking ufo so

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yeah that's right and uh so i saw your

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name listed in the ufo news lately and

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that's why i contacted you i've been

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driving all day haven't had a chance to

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read it but i'm going to pull up your

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website to insure that for everyone so

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what is going you were contacted from

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someone from the uss kearsarge how did

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that how did that happen

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yeah um recently i was contacted by

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a retired marine corps

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senior officer um

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who is no longer in the marine corps but

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he still has

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ties to some of his former shipmates and

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he reached out to me to ask me if i was

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aware of this uap event on

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the uss kearsarge in 2021 and 2022

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earlier this year and i said i hadn't he

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he goes there's a shipmate of mine that

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ship

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and he related to me

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a recent ua uap case where the marines

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on the deck of that ship had witnessed a

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and so that's kind of like how it

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started he basically was um a

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second-hand witness kind of relating

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what his buddy that was on the ship um

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had witnessed or his marines had

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and can you talk about the nature of the

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encounter

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sure so

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the you know the the cure sarge is like

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a um an amphibious uh transport dock

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ship so these are you know there was a

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picture that you just scrolled by that

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kind of shows the ship it's a big

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rectangular flat flight deck

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and they they can launch the osprey tilt

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rotor crafts from there and helicopters

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during the workup phase before they

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deploy overseas they practice every

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single little uh technique uh they they

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say it's sort of like they walk skip run

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so to speak and they work up to a

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full-scale training with many uh units

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and so on and in practice real world

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events so they were out there with the

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navy the navy runs the ship

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like the uh navy's uh amphibious group

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unit is comprised of land and

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air marines that go out on the ship and

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practice and fire guns and fly

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helicopters and so on and actually even

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do amphibious landings on the shore and

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this would be right off the east coast

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of the united states off their training

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areas cherry point north carolina camp

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lejeune and so on and there's these uh

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naval ranges that are right offshore

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that they can go out and practice

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without fear of interfering with any

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civilian traffic so they were out there

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in around october or november of 2021

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conducting some of these work-up

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trainings and

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one of the marine units um that's like

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an air defense unit had a vehicle on the

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deck of the the kearsarge so they parked

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polaris razor style four-wheel atv up on

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the deck and this is called an l-matis

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or l-mattis uh unit and the l-mattis

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unit is like yeah right there you so it

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has like a radar system that is on the

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mounted on there for air defense and

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tracking airborne air objects

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specifically this

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this device is sort of counter uas or

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unmanned aerial system it's a counter

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drone system pretty much and they can

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track these drones and it has a camera

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system on it it has some type of

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electronic warfare system that would

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presumably be able to knock out the

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control mechanism of a drone if it was

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coming in

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and so they were on the deck of the ship

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practicing that you know that that they

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could actually even help protect the uh

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the kearsarge and during one of the

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nights where this l mattis unit was out

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there the marines that were on that

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noticed that there were these two

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objects that were trailing the kearsarge

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and they described these things as about

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the size of the automobile maybe a half

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mile distance

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and they were maybe 200 feet off the

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surface of the water and these guys said

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well these things are drones and

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obviously somebody who's testing our

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capabilities

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that's what our job is so we better fire

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this thing up so they try to get radar

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tracks on it with the almatus truck

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unable actually to

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see any radar returns from from that

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device

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and they also had some thermal imaging

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equipment and they tried to see the

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objects with the flare and the same

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result like it didn't show up these

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lights so then they they just went to a

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regular video camera and indeed they

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could see it with a video so they could

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see i guess with their eyes like as

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and they saw it with the video and these

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matching the speed they weren't like

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overtaking the ship so they weren't

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going that fast a vessel like that might

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be going 20 knots or something so these

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behind the ship following the ship they

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could they began recording uh

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the the event and they were

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the pilot said that they were actually

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doing what he called shackle turns

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and if you scroll down a little bit you

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see that that shackle turn and that's

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basically where they reverse they

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reverse position so they they saw them

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as left and right and then the objects

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would cross in the center and changed

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so to speak and they said that looked

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like a shackle turn

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in all in all events you know led to the

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fact that this wasn't a training event

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because the marines

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went to their higher commands soon

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thereafter saying hey we spotted these

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drones or these uavs and we're trying to

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figure out if you guys sent them out

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here to

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you know test us or these were navy

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devices and the chain of command looked

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looked around and they said no it wasn't

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us we did not send these out to your

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ship and

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as well as the navy so

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it became this mystery like no one seems

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to know what these objects were they

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couldn't get them on radar they couldn't

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get them on flear they were able to

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record the the objects on videotape and

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i guess that videotape got sent up

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to apparently it would have been like a

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uap report now that the dod is accepting

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military uap reports of unidentified

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aerial phenomena so there would be a

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video and

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a report that would accompany that so

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that's basically the the gist of the

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story but i was surprised that that it

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hadn't really come out in the media at

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all and so this week it's really kind of

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picked up a lot of steam martin

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right yes well um

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i appreciate the the fact that you uh

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you know they contacted you and you are

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getting it some publicity out there i

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mean that's that's really great and

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did they

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it sounds like this is uh again it

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sounds like another case of

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of like a security issue

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um you know if they can't identify it

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it's kind of funny how they just it's

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kind of just left up in the air i guess

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there's really nothing left for them to

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be able to do with this nothing really

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happened or anything right

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right so so this you know in the annals

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of ufo encounters lights in the sky are

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pretty prevalent so this would be one of

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those lights in the sky cases but indeed

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it was from what i understand a multi

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they the truck itself the l mattis

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couldn't see it on radar i'm not aware

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if the

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kearsarge um the the combat information

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center on that vessel which would have

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had uh their own radar

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that would be operated by navy personnel

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actually had contact as well i did uh

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send off some foias to both the marine

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corps and the navy

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inquiring about this communication that

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definitely occurred between the ship and

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their command that would have been

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discussing this and trying to figure it

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out now the other the next question that

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comes up to me anyway is why are these

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uaps seem to be harassing navy ships

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again um this is 2021 you know i covered

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extensively this case in 2019 off the

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the coast of southern california where

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you know up to 10 navy ships were

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harassed like in the entire month and in

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that case as well i don't think we ever

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had an answer from the navy or anyone as

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to what exactly these objects were so it

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remains a mystery this seems like a very

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similar case

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where these these objects seem to be

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watching or following in a menacing way

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but not getting too close

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almost just like an observation so

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do you think it has anything to do with

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us being able to observe better than we

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did in the past or do you think this is

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just something that is relatively new

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happening

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i well i mean i would say yes and no i

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think in this case these guys saw it

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with their eyes because it wasn't that

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far away and they were luminous objects

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but in general i think there's more

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cases being reported because of advanced

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sensors that are able to detect at long

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range specs specifically on our advanced

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fighter aircraft that have these

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targeting pods and so on that are meant

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to look out for enemy aircraft so that

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they can see them at long range and so

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on

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um in this case you know i think

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it kind of to me it begs the question

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what exactly

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are these objects interested in if

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they're man-made obviously we might say

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it's surveillance or counter it would be

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you know electronic intelligence and

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signal intelligence that an adversarial

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force would be flying drones looking at

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this for the intelligence

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aspect since they're not really

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being aggressively engaging in a

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aggressive manner

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so to speak but aside from that then

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people might also say well is there

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something that the military has that

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actually um

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causes these objects to appear in other

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words is there some type of bait that is

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being used

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i mean that sounds crazy but i mean luis

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elizondo has mentioned that maybe there

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is something like that i know the pilot

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brought up to me he said you know in my

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career um

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you know when we flew i didn't fly with

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nuclear weapons but he said you know the

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navy would transport nuclear weapons

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from point a to point b

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and i know that's like one of these very

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sensitive uh topics it's like don't ask

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don't tell it's all classified we're not

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supposed to be transporting anything

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like that on our navy ships of this

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surface fleet

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at least as part of the agreements we

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have with

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other countries

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where these ships are kind of pulling

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into ports in countries that might have

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anti-nuclear

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bans you know nuclear bans and treaties

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and so on so i don't know that that

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would be one case that they're they're

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interested in that but i mean as you

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know there's a lot of cases where uh

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uh ufos are seen over storage areas and

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that sort of thing yeah yeah right and

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did you mention a

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q36 explosive space modulator is that

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something you

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that's that's something

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that had i saw that i i just don't know

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where that came up and and how that that

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fit in this particular case but uh yeah

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interesting dave thank you so much i

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really appreciate it it's always great

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um seeing you and talking to you each

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time i enjoy it and thank you for your

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great work

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and uh

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do you have your uh i did post your

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website in the show links down below but

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also um the video that you did about the

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uss nimitz case how many views is that

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up to these days

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it's well it's it's just just south of 6

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million views and um i know that you

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know people love to see that

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if you go my website is the

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nimitzencounters.com you can go and you

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know get a link to to that film and my

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youtube channel and you know i'm i'm

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also kind of pre previewing and teasing

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a case that i'm working on right now

401
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this very week i've been working on it

402
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today it's it's an incredible case that

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is

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relatively has never been heard about

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and i'm going to be releasing up to like

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an uh a 48 minute film that investigates

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uh what happened in this again it's a

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navy case and that's going to be on the

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the youtube channel the nimitz

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encounters youtube channel so stay tuned

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for that when will that when do you

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expect that to drop

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i don't have a due date i'm basically

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working at it right now we're trying to

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identify more primary witnesses

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i have i have spoken to two primary

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witnesses from this case that saw this

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thing

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and it's pretty startling and

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we have if we can get a few more it'll

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even be more like mind-blowing

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yeah i can't can't wait to see that

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please uh keep in touch with me about

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that i'd like to uh like to talk to you

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more about that um sounds good when it

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gets uh dropped thanks very much you got

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it all right take care take care yeah

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all right our next guest oh first of all

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i just want to show this great picture

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here for nightmare houses check that

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podcast out again nightmarehouses.com

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and uh so i do want to uh

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bring in our guests now for the rest of

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the show

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and stan always speaks to us on the

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telephone stan how you doing good to

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have you

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thanks martin thanks for having me back

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on the program again we're doing well

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thank you

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yeah uh your mic sounds a little hot uh

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bill i don't know if there's anything

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you can do about that sounds a little

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hot on this side but um

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uh bill hopefully you hear me and uh so

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stan um

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and it's hasn't it been a while since

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you've written a book or do i just have

449
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not seen uh have not seen one's uh

450
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released by you lately

451
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yeah it's been several years and um just

452
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uh very busy with a lot of family things

453
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going on a lot of reports and things

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going on but finally

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after a lot of setbacks he finally got

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this book done and this was

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made available

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on amazon on march 2nd it's called

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creepy cryptids and strange ufo

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encounters of pennsylvania

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all right well i'm excited to talk about

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it and i know that you did some great

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work

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years ago back in the 70s i think it was

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on the connection between

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bigfoot and ufos so i have that right

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no that's correct yeah that's uh that's

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when i began to notice some very unusual

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aspects with with the bigfoot phenomena

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and um

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before our way get into it i probably

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should give you a little bit of

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background for the listeners are not

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familiar because it's the part of the

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story uh you know i started this when i

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was 10 years old back in 1959 as a

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curious kid interested in science

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electronics and i just happened to hear

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a radio show talking about unusual

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happenings and i

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was curious are these people making

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these stories up are they telling the

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truth and began to make a lot of trips

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to the local library

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and i was 16 years old when the incident

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happened near kecksburg pa

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and it was after kecksburg i began to go

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out into the field to do first-hand

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investigation i've been doing that ever

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since uh now going on 63 years of

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research and i still have never seen a

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ufo or a bigfoot interview thousands of

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ufo witnesses interviewed hundreds of

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bigfoot encrypted witnesses have seen a

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lot of evidence but i've never seen one

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personally

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but anyhow in 1969 i set up a hotline

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for the public to report ufo sightings

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and it became apparent very quickly from

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the reports coming in that this was a

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lot more than i could do on my own so i

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decided i was going to try to set up a

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research group of volunteers to

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investigate the reports

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so in 1970 i founded the first of three

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volunteer research groups

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and the first group was called the

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westmoreland county ufo study group and

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it was kind of unique in that the

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majority of people involved were

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specialists we had

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scientists engineers technicians police

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officers former military people all kind

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of people

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volunteering their time we all had

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full-time jobs we're doing around our

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jobs but i had it set up that we could

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respond the cases 24 hours a day

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when we were able to and we did have

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many cases and by 1973

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we had extended the cover of the whole

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state of pennsylvania

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and it was lucky that we were set up

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because none of us could ever imagine

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what was about to unfold first we had

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the largest outbreak of ufo sightings

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ever documented started january 1st of

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1973 continued to the last day of the

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year there were there were hundreds and

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hundreds of ufo reports coming in and

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and many of these were daylight

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sightings

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some very detailed close range reports

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uh and back then a lot of the local and

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statewide and even national papers were

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covering a lot of these incidents as

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they were going on

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and all this ufo activity in itself was

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just amazing but then in the summer of

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1973 we had the biggest outbreak of

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bigfoot sightings ever documented as

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well and that went into

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some of 1974.

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and

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hear from the general public

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that some very strange things are being

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reported with the bigfoot reports

548
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and um

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one of the first things that turned up

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is that my teams would get out to some

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of these locations so we would be on the

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scene sometimes within minutes or hours

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after these incidents occurred that's

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why we were able to document them so

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well

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and in some cases we would have these

557
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,919
very large unusual footprints with very

558
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,840
large strides between them under

559
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:35,600
different type of ground conditions and

560
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,919
even the winter time in fresh snow

561
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:39,919
that would go for a distance and then

562
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,000
just abruptly stop

563
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,240
with no more tracks and there was no

564
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,400
reason or explanation there was no way

565
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:48,159
they could fabricate on the conditions

566
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,200
we found

567
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,960
and that by the way is still ongoing in

568
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,280
recent years as well but that was one of

569
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,360
the first things that came up and then

570
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,440
we began to hear some even stranger

571
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,799
things for some of the witnesses there

572
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:00,559
were people who told us back then that

573
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,240
even in daylight they would see when

574
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,480
these tall hair covered creatures

575
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,640
standing in a certain location and then

576
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,320
suddenly it would physically vanish and

577
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,400
disappear and reappear short distance

578
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,400
away at another spot

579
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:15,039
and then stranger and stranger as the

580
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,039
weeks went on and again from widespread

581
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,960
areas and you got to remember back in

582
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,240
those days

583
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,080
uh the internet was not the same as it

584
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,760
is today so many people would call the

585
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,919
police departments in the news media and

586
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,919
then we'll quite often get the report so

587
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,440
they would refer them over to us would

588
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:31,200
follow up and investigate

589
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,720
and um

590
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,480
so all these reports are coming in and

591
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,960
then we see this pattern we have a ufo

592
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,799
sighting in a certain area within

593
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:40,640
minutes two hours of days later we'd

594
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:43,360
have a bigfoot signing or a ufo sighting

595
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:44,720
and vice versa

596
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:47,679
and uh and then we had those amazing

597
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:50,640
cases where we had a ufo and a bigfoot

598
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:53,440
scene together at the same time in place

599
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,400
and

600
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,840
i'll be glad to tell you about some of

601
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,520
those accounts and these kind of things

602
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,520
are actually still ongoing

603
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,880
and a lot of the cases and similarities

604
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:05,360
of what i wrote about back in the 1970s

605
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,840
in more recent years we're hearing a lot

606
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,440
more of this now from around the country

607
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:11,679
from other researchers from witnesses

608
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,080
and it's a the more i know about the

609
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,559
subject the stranger it is and it's very

610
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,320
very complex but i'll be glad to get

611
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,120
into that this evening yeah

612
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,600
i i agree with you i i say that quite a

613
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,159
bit on the show the more i look into

614
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:28,880
this topic the less i feel i know about

615
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,520
it um it's just really uh very

616
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,919
interesting but i want to focus on just

617
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,919
for a minute what you're talking about

618
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,919
when you're talking about these

619
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,120
footprints

620
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,679
that seem to go for a certain distance

621
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,840
and all of a sudden disappear it seems

622
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:46,000
like i'm hearing that over and over

623
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,960
again

624
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,640
when people are talking about this

625
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,480
phenomenon and

626
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,799
i just find it so strange

627
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,159
um you know

628
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,400
and and what i find strange about it is

629
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,840
how could this be

630
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:59,200
and

631
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,080
um

632
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,039
and and that makes you wonder

633
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:05,520
you know all kinds of you when you try

634
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,159
to make get an answer for it

635
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,480
then these things come up like these

636
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,240
and you talked also about it showing up

637
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:14,559
in another place it sounds almost

638
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,480
interdimensional or something i mean

639
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,320
what what do you think these crazy

640
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:22,640
things are when when this type of things

641
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,919
happens any any thoughts

642
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,679
oh yeah well

643
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,919
dealing with so many cases and

644
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,760
in investigating and interviewing so

645
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,320
many people who didn't know each other

646
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,760
and they're telling us the same kind of

647
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,520
details or reluctant to even talk to

648
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,760
about it most of these witnesses

649
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,279
wouldn't even believed it until they had

650
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,520
their own personal experience but um

651
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,440
yeah you know when i started years and

652
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,200
years ago first of all

653
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,039
when i started dealing with ufo cases

654
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,679
back in the 60s you know back in those

655
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,200
days

656
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:55,279
after examining and interviewing so many

657
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,520
people in a lot of low-level close range

658
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,039
sites not just lights in the sky but

659
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,799
large structured objects so we can talk

660
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:03,120
about some of those older cases as well

661
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,200
you know back then many of us in the

662
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,000
field were of the opinion that were very

663
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,240
possibly dealing with

664
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,559
something is extraterrestrial

665
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,880
but i can tell you in in the many many

666
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,200
years i've been doing it since that time

667
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,880
i've learned a lot more about this

668
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:20,480
whatever we're dealing with it's very

669
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:23,360
very strange and i as i said long time

670
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,640
ago i think

671
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,400
it's very likely there's more than one

672
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,240
origin to the unknown category of the

673
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,880
ufo phenomenon whatever this might be

674
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:32,799
and i think maybe a small percentage

675
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,440
might be extraterrestrial but the more i

676
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,520
know about this and again what's really

677
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:40,000
interesting is is that i'm i'm seeing

678
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:40,960
some

679
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,960
the bigfoot

680
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,480
reports coming in some of the other

681
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,880
cryptid reports and ufo mystery and the

682
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,360
ufo sightings are being reported

683
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,520
there is a physical and a non-physical

684
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,640
component a lot of these cases so with

685
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,559
ufo sightings as you're very much

686
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,400
familiar with and i think more and more

687
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,080
people hearing about this even in

688
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,840
daylight these objects could suddenly

689
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:05,200
just

690
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,559
suddenly appear

691
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,640
yeah and they can eat look physically

692
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,720
solid and then they can either begin to

693
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,480
slowly fade away and disappear or just

694
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,240
suddenly they're gone

695
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,400
they come and they go sometimes they

696
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,320
physically change form

697
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,480
we have reports even in recent years of

698
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,039
large what appear to be a solid outline

699
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,799
of triangular objects moving across the

700
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,039
sky but people can see through them

701
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,520
but these things suddenly appear they

702
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,279
come and they go they have there's a

703
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,679
physical and non-fiscal aspect to it and

704
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:35,840
yeah for lack of a better term i guess

705
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,320
we'll call it interdimensional

706
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,039
yeah like i i and i also agree

707
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,520
with you that they could be a number of

708
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,000
things i mean it just seems to point to

709
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:48,799
that um in in so many ways

710
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,520
there's not one answer for them all and

711
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,440
i always like uh the

712
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:55,840
uh the thought of you know we wouldn't

713
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,320
even understand it if we knew i

714
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,240
you know and that that's that's also a

715
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,080
possibility

716
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:04,799
so all right

717
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:07,360
yeah

718
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,360
more we've learned about this the more

719
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,279
mysterious it is there are so many

720
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,760
aspects of the bigfoot mystery and again

721
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,840
going back years and years ago when i

722
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,120
got involved in this and i was

723
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:21,120
investigating reports of bigfoot

724
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,640
sightings in pennsylvania back in the

725
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,000
60s

726
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,399
and what i knew about bigfoot was that

727
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,399
it probably if these things are real

728
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:30,320
people really see these things

729
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:31,360
it's probably

730
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:33,919
some type of unknown primate well as

731
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,399
time went on and we learned more and

732
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,559
more about it i started to realize

733
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,399
especially in the last several years and

734
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,240
a lot more data and more information

735
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:44,640
i've been finding

736
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:46,840
it's much more complicated there's

737
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,760
similarities again with some of the ufo

738
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:51,520
uh case has been reported over the years

739
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,559
and here's one example of many many that

740
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,320
many people have never heard of and

741
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:58,000
you're familiar with the fact that even

742
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,200
going back to

743
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,520
at least the 1950s you've heard many

744
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:03,679
reports of these unusual objects these

745
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,480
are objects pacing vehicles hovering low

746
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:09,039
over vehicles and sometimes the motor

747
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,880
began the sputter the headlights would

748
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,559
go very low

749
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:14,320
uh they would lose power the object

750
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,520
would take off and the power would come

751
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,600
back on the headlights will get brighter

752
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:19,120
well what a lot of people have never

753
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,279
heard of even though it's rare but they

754
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,039
have been reported around the country

755
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:25,120
there are also electromagnetic effect

756
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:27,919
cases with close range incidents with

757
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:30,159
bigfoot so we have incidents where

758
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:31,200
people

759
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:34,240
uh were driving and this creature came

760
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:35,760
past right in front of their vehicle

761
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:38,960
very much near their vehicle and as this

762
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:41,840
happened the car began to lose power and

763
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:44,000
as the creature moved off the power came

764
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,279
back on

765
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,880
that's just one thing that's very very

766
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,320
intriguing

767
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,039
wow has this as far as you know

768
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,520
i saw you know the title your book is uh

769
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:56,000
cryptids has this happened with any

770
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,679
other unusual

771
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,520
animals or

772
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:01,120
what looks like an animal that people

773
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,799
are seeing as well or is it just bigfoot

774
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,120
oh no uh there and again there's

775
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,440
differences but similarities so another

776
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,799
thing has been showing up and and

777
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,240
something you may have heard about this

778
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,120
too but i noticed this years ago but

779
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,120
it's been happening more and more in in

780
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,799
the last several years

781
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:20,559
uh people

782
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:23,279
have attempted with both the old digital

783
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:25,760
cameras and even with the phone cameras

784
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:28,559
now people have at times attempted to

785
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,279
take pictures of ufos especially some of

786
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,880
the low level cases

787
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,720
and when they did when they aimed their

788
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,640
cameras at them for example there would

789
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,320
be a malfunction and the camera would

790
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:40,559
not work it worked fine right before

791
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,360
that it worked fine afterwards but only

792
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,600
during that time and the same thing has

793
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,679
happened with cryptid cases now we're

794
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,600
having people tell us about this in fact

795
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:51,679
it's even stranger that there have been

796
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,919
incidents where people have right after

797
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,760
the cryptid encounter

798
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:57,840
they went over to take pictures of the

799
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,960
physical evidence like uh footprints

800
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,880
and the cameras would now function and

801
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,880
as soon as they got home cameras working

802
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,760
fine

803
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,640
i interviewed a fellow a few weeks ago

804
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,919
um

805
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:11,440
and again this is something we can talk

806
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,640
about more often because we're all

807
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,960
familiar with skinwalker wrench but some

808
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,480
of the incidents i've been involved with

809
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,039
since the early 70s are very very

810
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,960
similar and these incidents are going on

811
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,200
now at certain areas in pennsylvania

812
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,880
which have been active

813
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,480
i know of many others i've heard of

814
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,080
around the country have similar type

815
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:30,640
things going on but he's up this fellow

816
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,840
is up on the

817
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,080
pennsylvania new york border

818
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,240
apparently a long history of all kind of

819
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,559
phenomena so you have

820
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,279
um screams and cries and footprints and

821
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,039
bigfoot sightings and other cryptid

822
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,679
reports uh black panther sightings

823
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,080
paranormal phenomena and again we'll get

824
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,000
into what i call many ufos that these

825
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,080
small orbs are small spheres of light

826
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,159
low to the ground and areas we have a

827
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,080
long history of bigfoot but i just

828
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,080
talked to this fellow and this guy is a

829
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,799
professional person has some very high

830
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,720
tech equipment night vision equipment

831
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:04,960
some very good stuff he's familiar with

832
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:07,360
and as he told me it just recently

833
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,000
uh on this one night when these orbs are

834
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,399
close by every time

835
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:14,880
he tried to get a still capture or try

836
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,519
to take video it would malfunction he

837
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,120
would check all the equipment out right

838
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,880
before that everything was fine

839
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,279
afterwards it was fine but only whenever

840
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,279
he tried to take a picture

841
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,760
it would not function properly

842
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:29,760
you know you also hear about batteries

843
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,600
on cameras like dying uh when it's fully

844
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,200
charged and there's no

845
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,519
reason for that to happen that's another

846
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:39,760
one any cases that has that happened

847
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:42,320
with any cases that you're aware of

848
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,760
yeah that's again that's what's

849
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:45,600
happening some of these cases that you

850
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:48,399
have fully charged batteries

851
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,360
and uh and and the cameras just when

852
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:53,120
when he tries to take a picture when the

853
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,880
witness tried to take a picture the

854
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,399
battery was completely dead in some

855
00:32:02,549 --> 00:31:58,960
cases i remember work case oh this is

856
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,559
probably oh seven eight years ago

857
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,720
and this was up um

858
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,559
this was up on the fayette county

859
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,880
westmoreland county border beautiful

860
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,360
morning the stella is sitting there uh

861
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:14,000
at this table next to the window his dog

862
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:15,360
is lying there

863
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,720
and all of a sudden it got pitch black

864
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,559
it had been sunny moments before and he

865
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,320
thought that's so unusual like was a big

866
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,799
storm coming up so he grabs his fully

867
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,960
charged phone he had just charged he

868
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:28,720
calls to his dog which goes with him

869
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,320
everywhere and the dog refused to go out

870
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:32,559
with him so the guy steps outside goes

871
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,200
out on his driveway and about 500 feet

872
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,360
above is this huge silent black

873
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,360
triangular object

874
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:41,200
and the first thing he does he aims his

875
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,760
camera take a picture and it would not

876
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:45,440
work and he found the battery was

877
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,880
completely dead

878
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,320
and yeah those are the kind of things

879
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,360
that have been reported more and more

880
00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:53,039
that that is amazing and i don't even

881
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,799
know what would do that you know um

882
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:58,080
electromagnetic possibly but i don't

883
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:59,120
know

884
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,640
we have a question in chat i'm just

885
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:02,399
going to run this by you because i hear

886
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:06,399
this term often spoken lately um

887
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,240
now that we know the hitchhiker

888
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,720
phenomenon is exact as scientifically

889
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,120
verified i didn't really realize that

890
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:15,919
but uh this is uh jay allen is having

891
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:18,799
this question here uh skinwalker

892
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,240
pentagon book please ask um

893
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,399
about the hitchhiker effect with when it

894
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:26,880
comes to bigfoot or cryptid

895
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:29,200
side are you familiar with that term

896
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:31,279
stan

897
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,399
uh

898
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,720
so i believe you're talking about people

899
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,200
who got involved investigated at certain

900
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:39,840
locations and then later various type of

901
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:42,720
after uh paranormal stuff anomalies

902
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:44,000
occurred

903
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,360
away from that area is that what we're

904
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,760
discussing yeah it kind of follows them

905
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:49,679
follows the person

906
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,399
that was uh investigating

907
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,320
i've heard that from people from years

908
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:55,760
and years ago

909
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,640
and um you know here again it's so

910
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,159
complex there's so many different

911
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:02,159
aspects of what we're dealing with here

912
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,600
yeah i found that

913
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,200
many people

914
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,640
just happen to be at the right place at

915
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,800
the right time to see a bigfoot cross

916
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,720
the road see some other type of cryptid

917
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,839
report

918
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,119
um

919
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,280
and and even with ufo sightings the same

920
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:17,040
thing but then

921
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:18,560
there's many many people i've

922
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,079
interviewed over here it's very credible

923
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,560
people from all types of backgrounds

924
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,720
and i began to try to study the

925
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,560
background of some of these people and

926
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:28,159
some of these people

927
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,359
from the time they were very young

928
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,280
they began to experience various type of

929
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:35,599
paranormal experiences other things

930
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:38,079
happen to them throughout their life

931
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,960
they had ufo encounters some had missing

932
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:41,919
time

933
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:46,159
later their their spouse would encounter

934
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,960
this

935
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,960
later on there's one person i've been in

936
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,560
touch with now for probably going on

937
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,480
well over 45 years

938
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,760
and um

939
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:55,520
she was a young child that was missing

940
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,720
and there was a search for and they

941
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,400
found her standing right in the middle

942
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,760
field had been searched many times and

943
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:02,000
she had no idea she was even missing but

944
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,920
she's had experiences her whole life

945
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,280
than her children and now her

946
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,960
grandchildren

947
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,320
this is something i'm finding with

948
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,720
various other uh people as well in fact

949
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:13,119
it's so amazing when you interview these

950
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,800
people and they don't know each other

951
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,880
and they tell you the little details

952
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,040
they keep bringing up almost exactly the

953
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:21,119
same thing uh that they're telling me

954
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,240
there's certain things that happened to

955
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:23,760
them throughout their lives experiences

956
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,720
they had

957
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,680
and

958
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,920
could it be that certain people have

959
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,480
certain abilities they're able to pursue

960
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,720
the perceive this phenomena

961
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:34,400
where other people can't or could the

962
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,359
phenomena be attracted to them

963
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,920
right um you know you mentioned early on

964
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,760
you said that you've never had any type

965
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,599
of you've never seen a bigfoot you've

966
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:45,599
never seen a ufo

967
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,560
uh but your work is stellar on

968
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,960
on these things i'm really glad that you

969
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:52,640
do that and

970
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:55,920
what in what was the biggest inspiration

971
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:58,640
for you to go down this path and take a

972
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:01,520
really good look at these things

973
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,320
well i i think what happened was that

974
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,640
as you as i started back so many years

975
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,640
ago and started documenting all these

976
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:10,560
cases here's one of the first things

977
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,680
that showed up

978
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,200
that there was something unusual going

979
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,760
on with bigfoot 1972.

980
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:17,839
uh this actually was only several miles

981
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,400
uh from where i live here in outside of

982
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:22,560
greensburg this was a large wooded area

983
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,839
where a lot of people lived around there

984
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,200
for years and years and nothing ever

985
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,520
happened there and all of a sudden i

986
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,200
started getting calls from various

987
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,760
landowners independently who are talking

988
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,839
about screams and cries and something

989
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,240
bipedal heavy walking in the woods then

990
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,960
somebody does see a large broad shoulder

991
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,200
creature chasing dogs they're finding

992
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:43,520
footprints they're seeing strange lights

993
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,160
and they're seeing these very small

994
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:48,480
little spherical objects

995
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:50,240
uh in their trees and very close to

996
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,520
their home

997
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,359
so i started documenting all that then

998
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:55,839
of course next year 1973

999
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,560
all kinds of stuff's happening all kind

1000
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,520
of phenomena is going on uh and you have

1001
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,119
the ufo sightings and the bigfoot

1002
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,359
sightings and all these weird cases are

1003
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,960
showing up and

1004
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:08,240
let me give you an example of just a

1005
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,920
couple of cases and i'll try to be as

1006
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,359
brief as i can because there's a lot of

1007
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,520
detail but they're so interesting and

1008
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,599
again i thought we don't have time to

1009
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,520
begin to get into all the details of

1010
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,520
even this one case but this is an

1011
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,520
amazing case some of the with

1012
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,359
listeners probably heard it before but

1013
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,920
this was the case that convinced me and

1014
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,680
some of the skeptical research people in

1015
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:29,920
my team that there was a lot more to the

1016
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:31,839
ufo and bigfoot phenomena

1017
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:34,480
and and let me stress this when you hear

1018
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:38,079
these accounts i am not saying

1019
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:41,920
that bigfoot for example is a passenger

1020
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,320
or a pilot of a spacecraft from another

1021
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:46,000
planet because we don't know for sure

1022
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,680
what we're dealing with you know could

1023
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,599
these objects be something other than

1024
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,359
extraterrestrial could be and the

1025
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:53,440
creatures may well be something else too

1026
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:56,240
we just don't understand it but

1027
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,320
this particular case october 25th 1973

1028
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,960
my hotline many reports the ufo

1029
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,040
sightings during that 24-hour period

1030
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:07,040
about 10 30 that night i get a call from

1031
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,400
a state trooper

1032
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,320
from the uniontown barracks in fayette

1033
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,800
county which has had a long history of

1034
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,520
ufos cryptids and ongoing year after

1035
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,680
year including already this year anyhow

1036
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,040
he told me he had just come back from

1037
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:22,000
investigating this very unusual incident

1038
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,599
he believed it was possible there was

1039
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,599
something still up on the farm he wanted

1040
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,200
me to get my team up there as soon as we

1041
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,599
could so it's already late we did we got

1042
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,200
our team together we got our radiation

1043
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:33,280
gear our radio equipment and got things

1044
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,640
together and found our way up there and

1045
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,920
spent much of the night and early

1046
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:38,000
morning hours up in that area

1047
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:38,960
um

1048
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:42,000
about 15 people in that rural area

1049
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,280
are observing this barn size red sphere

1050
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,440
about a hundred feet off the ground

1051
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:49,200
slowly moving downward towards the

1052
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:50,480
pasture

1053
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,000
and i always center the case on the

1054
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:54,160
former sun who was the

1055
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:55,040
uh

1056
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,240
fella who

1057
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,000
a lot of the story focus was on he was

1058
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,079
coming out to visit his family it was on

1059
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,920
his dad's farm with his habit he's

1060
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:03,839
riding down the farm road he sees people

1061
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,079
standing outside see this object in the

1062
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,880
sky and it's coming down lower so he

1063
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,720
goes to a better location to get a

1064
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,640
better look at this thing and it looks

1065
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,160
like it's going to land on his dad's

1066
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:17,040
farm so he and two neighbor boys decide

1067
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:18,240
that they want to go up and see what

1068
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,520
this thing is

1069
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,880
so before

1070
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:22,640
going down to the pasture they stop at

1071
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,359
his dad's farm he grabs a 30-yard six

1072
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,280
and a handful of ammunition

1073
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,880
he didn't realize that at the time he

1074
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:30,960
had two tracer bullets

1075
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,200
and uh so you just get that luminous

1076
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,280
trail when you fire those tracer bullets

1077
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,520
anyhow as they're riding down the farm

1078
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,359
road the dogs around the area are

1079
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,520
carrying on going crazy they hear this

1080
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,440
high-pitched whining noise and these

1081
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,000
loud baby crying sounds

1082
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:47,920
and they finally make their way down the

1083
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:48,800
area

1084
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,520
they they angle their vehicle they have

1085
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:53,760
the headlights on and it looks like

1086
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:56,240
something's draining the power from the

1087
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,760
headlights they had never noticed that

1088
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,480
before so they walk up to the top of the

1089
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:03,200
hill to the pasture and they're standing

1090
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,640
there and they can't believe what

1091
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,200
they're seeing about 250 feet away this

1092
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,359
very large object is now on the ground

1093
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:11,440
or right above it but now it's not a

1094
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,400
complete sphere it's a big white

1095
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,640
dome like a half of the sphere but it's

1096
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,720
about it's big it's about 100 feet or so

1097
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,720
in diameter it's making this a lot of

1098
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,480
pitch winding noise it's illuminating

1099
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:25,119
much of the area so they're standing in

1100
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,720
this thing and they can't believe what

1101
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:28,079
they're seeing

1102
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:29,440
but then

1103
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,400
a few minutes later they look to a

1104
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,359
barbed wire fence about 75 feet away

1105
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,680
and here's these two huge

1106
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,680
bipedal upright creatures covered with

1107
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,240
long dark matted hair

1108
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,640
one behind the other moving very slowly

1109
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,000
along the barbed wire fence in their

1110
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:48,240
direction the largest one is about eight

1111
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,280
feet tall

1112
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,960
the one behind it's about seven feet

1113
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,440
tall these things are bipedal

1114
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,359
uh they have no neck

1115
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,920
they have very long arms almost they're

1116
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,680
extending way below the knees almost to

1117
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,880
the ground

1118
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,040
they have luminous large luminous

1119
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,800
glowing green eyes

1120
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:06,400
these things are making this loud

1121
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:09,040
whining crying baby sound well the one

1122
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:10,640
boy so frightened he runs out of the

1123
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,520
field

1124
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,200
and the other young boy starts yelling

1125
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,119
at him shoot him shoot him well the guy

1126
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,119
fires his first shot over their head

1127
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,720
which was that tracer so you just got

1128
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:20,640
that luminous trail

1129
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,079
but when he fires that second tracer

1130
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,720
the largest of the two creatures reaches

1131
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,560
out instead of grabbing that tracer

1132
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:30,880
makes a loud whining crying sound and

1133
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,280
that large object in the field

1134
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,839
vanishes and disappears it doesn't take

1135
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,920
off it's just gone

1136
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,240
so most illuminosity is gone the sound

1137
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,560
stops it's getting butt dark they turn

1138
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,319
around the two creeds start walking back

1139
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:46,079
along the fence line back towards the

1140
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,880
woods

1141
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:48,960
at that point the guy's firing live ammo

1142
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,079
from his 3006 into the creatures mainly

1143
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,760
aiming at that big one

1144
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,599
and he told me

1145
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,880
i remember he told me for years and

1146
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,240
years until he passed away he said i'll

1147
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:00,079
never forget how that huge creature with

1148
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,079
his glowing green eyes for staring at me

1149
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,920
as i'm pumping live ammo into it and

1150
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,079
there's no effect on it whatsoever

1151
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,839
so they run back to the truck and go

1152
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:09,440
back to the farmhouse and told them what

1153
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,319
happened

1154
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:11,680
and they called and they went to a

1155
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,720
neighbors and they called the state

1156
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,280
police so their trooper arrives about 45

1157
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,440
minutes later they go up in the field in

1158
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,720
the troop car

1159
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,640
and i interviewed the trooper

1160
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,839
and he said they're walking around

1161
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,520
looking for evidence and they go over to

1162
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,800
the air where the object was on the

1163
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:26,800
ground and the trooper said the whole

1164
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,599
area was self-luminescent glowing about

1165
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,920
100 feet or more in diameter he said he

1166
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,680
shined his flashlight beam into he could

1167
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,920
barely see the beam the farm animals

1168
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,920
wouldn't go anywhere near it and he said

1169
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,680
if i had a newspaper i'm pretty certain

1170
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,280
i could read the newspaper from the

1171
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,280
light coming off the glow

1172
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,359
and again i'm making the story shorter

1173
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,640
here because there's a lot more to it i

1174
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,560
got strange and stranger during the

1175
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,160
night i read the whole thing up my solid

1176
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,560
invasion book it's very detailed and

1177
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,240
anyhow they went back to the barracks i

1178
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:56,319
was told both the trooper and the

1179
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,160
witness were separately interviewed then

1180
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,640
they called me to send up my team

1181
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:03,040
and i can tell you by the when we got

1182
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,160
there

1183
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,160
the glow was gone the radiation levels

1184
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,240
were normal

1185
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,880
it was a very very interesting story

1186
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,400
probably the most one of the most

1187
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:14,480
interesting things i've ever heard

1188
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,200
and

1189
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,880
during what happened later during the

1190
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,280
night and all it's it's there's no doubt

1191
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:21,839
that there was something going on there

1192
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,800
and that was one one of numerous cases

1193
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,200
that had some strange elements to it

1194
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:29,599
but there was another case that happened

1195
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,040
only miles from there in february of 74

1196
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,599
that gave us a clue that whatever these

1197
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,359
creatures are we're dealing with

1198
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,960
something that is not flesh and blood

1199
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,319
and if you'd like i was glad to tell you

1200
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:41,920
that story

1201
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,990
and we do have just to let uh thank you

1202
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,440
for those people in chat that are

1203
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:50,960
putting up questions i'll try to get to

1204
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:53,760
them as we get along but as we go along

1205
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,240
here but and i'll also try to take calls

1206
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,079
at the very end uh the last half hour of

1207
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,400
the show a little differently than uh

1208
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,560
normally but up normal but i can still

1209
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,640
do that here so yes let's hear the

1210
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:06,880
details of that stan

1211
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,079
okay so this is this was the case among

1212
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,480
others that convinced me that we're

1213
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:14,400
dealing with something that's much very

1214
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,079
very strange so this is february 6 1974.

1215
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,319
this is up towards ohio pile in fayette

1216
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,040
county way up in the mountains and some

1217
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:25,119
of your listeners will recall the time

1218
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,480
period

1219
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:29,119
we had a big there was a big national

1220
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,480
trucker strike

1221
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,400
there was gas rationing some people i'm

1222
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,800
sure remember that at the time yeah

1223
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,560
there was some violence going on around

1224
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,400
the country on the highways

1225
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:40,079
so here in pennsylvania he had the

1226
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,599
national guard and the state police

1227
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,160
patrolling uh and responding to various

1228
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,000
incidents well he had members of both

1229
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,280
units that responded to this case

1230
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,640
and um i i lived in my town there was no

1231
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,160
gas available i couldn't get up to the

1232
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,960
saint early the next morning so anyhow

1233
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,400
that evening

1234
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,240
yeah this woman lived in the mountains

1235
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,160
all her life knew animals very well was

1236
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,760
a very good shot

1237
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,280
she was sitting there in her home like

1238
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,200
normal watching tv

1239
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,040
when she heard this little commotion on

1240
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,880
her little front porch of a cabin home

1241
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,680
she had some empty soda cans out there

1242
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:15,359
and someone was knocking the soda cans

1243
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,560
around

1244
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,720
so a two three weeks before she had a

1245
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:21,119
pack of um wild dogs had come through

1246
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,560
and she figured i bet you those dogs are

1247
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,160
back so she thought you know what i'll

1248
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,400
just grab my shotgun and i'll fire over

1249
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,640
their head and scare those dogs away so

1250
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:30,640
what she does she grabs her 16 gauge

1251
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:33,599
double barrel shotgun loads one chamber

1252
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,640
walks up to the door hits the switch

1253
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,480
opens the door turns on the light and

1254
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,160
steps out

1255
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:42,000
no dogs around but right there in front

1256
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:43,440
of her about

1257
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,400
six feet away here's a seven foot tall

1258
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,880
hair covered creature described us like

1259
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,200
a big hook with long arms raised his arm

1260
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,599
straight up over its head

1261
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,720
and

1262
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,960
what does she do she pulls the trigger

1263
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,560
and fires right into it

1264
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,200
she said there's a bright flash of light

1265
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,680
like the strobe on a camera and it

1266
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,240
physically vanishes and disappears

1267
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:08,880
but that's that's not the whole story so

1268
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,599
her emblems live a hundred feet away

1269
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:13,040
and they heard the gunshot and i call

1270
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:14,480
and asked her what she should yet she

1271
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:15,920
explained the story to him her

1272
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,400
son-in-law grabs a sidearm starts

1273
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,640
walking down that dark road

1274
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:22,640
and as he got close he said he was

1275
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:24,319
surrounded by i believe was four or five

1276
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,079
hairy people with eyes like coals of

1277
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,960
fire started shooting at randomly

1278
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,920
and the

1279
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:31,920
short time later here's this large

1280
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,480
object they said like a a large luminous

1281
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,079
christmas ornament hovering over the

1282
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,160
woods at the same time and that's when

1283
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:40,079
they called the state police

1284
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,520
and i i talked at the primary

1285
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,880
investigator

1286
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:45,040
and he said by the time they found this

1287
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,400
place way up in the mountains everything

1288
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,680
was done

1289
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,760
but he said something very strange

1290
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,599
happened he said the witnesses he said

1291
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,680
they were very very frightened they were

1292
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,319
very credible but he said what convinced

1293
00:47:02,950 --> 00:46:59,040
him was the animal reactions and that's

1294
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,960
something very common to ufo cases and

1295
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:04,480
bigfoot cases

1296
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,160
and we found in many cases over the

1297
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,680
years especially with bigfoot that even

1298
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,520
the most vicious dogs

1299
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,440
when they're closing these things

1300
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,520
they're just paralyzed they don't bark

1301
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,560
they they shake they cower they hide

1302
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:18,000
sometimes they'll lay down their eyes

1303
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,359
will move around but they won't say

1304
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,280
anything they won't make any sound

1305
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,040
sometimes they don't eat properly

1306
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,119
properly for a day or two later

1307
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,800
and that's what the officer told me

1308
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,480
happened he said we get up he said they

1309
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:30,720
have a number of different large dogs

1310
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:33,280
and other animals and everything's quiet

1311
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,119
the dogs won't bark

1312
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,040
there was one big dog in a cage i think

1313
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,440
it was eskimo spitz and a guy and the

1314
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,040
trooper actually i believe tried to pull

1315
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:43,119
the dog out that dog wouldn't even move

1316
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:44,880
it should have ripped his arm off

1317
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,760
and

1318
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,440
there was other things going on other

1319
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,680
animals were reacting at during the time

1320
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,599
very unusually according to the people

1321
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,440
on on that property

1322
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:55,520
but um we got there early the next

1323
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,880
morning

1324
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,040
and uh interviewed the people

1325
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,800
by then when i got there all the dogs

1326
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,920
are barking

1327
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:04,240
but that was a very interesting case and

1328
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,599
there was more than that story than

1329
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,839
meets the eye too but that was the case

1330
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,200
among others

1331
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:10,960
where people told us that these things

1332
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:14,000
at times can suddenly disappear

1333
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,880
uh

1334
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,400
i don't recommend people shooting at

1335
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:18,000
these things that people have over the

1336
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:19,359
years especially during that event in

1337
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,559
the 70s

1338
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,160
people had different power different

1339
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,240
types of weapons they used and neither

1340
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,760
of the creatures would

1341
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,079
in most cases they would just sometimes

1342
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,640
be completely unharmed so no indication

1343
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,559
of being harmed at all sometimes they

1344
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:35,119
would fall down and get up and walk away

1345
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:36,559
and then you had this case where the

1346
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,520
things the creatures just disappeared

1347
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:40,880
and

1348
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,440
has anybody ever reported like

1349
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,119
you know i mean like i agree i don't

1350
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:46,960
think it's a good idea to shoot them but

1351
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:50,800
has anyone ever reported any blood

1352
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,160
uh we had one case where we thought we

1353
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,000
had a blood sample

1354
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:58,559
uh and if that was up in indiana county

1355
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:00,800
where in daylight i believe it was

1356
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,440
daylight or just getting dark that these

1357
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,280
it was up on apple orchard we knew these

1358
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,040
things loved apples corn and berries we

1359
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,559
had to report them taking whole apples

1360
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,160
and putting whole apples in their mouths

1361
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,839
and eating them and this thing came

1362
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,359
right up these people just picked a

1363
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:15,119
bunch of bushel baskets full of apples

1364
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,400
by remember

1365
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:19,040
and this thing came up was taking apples

1366
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:20,559
out of the bushel basket and eaten them

1367
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,359
whole

1368
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,960
and it went around to the side of the

1369
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,559
front of the house and the felon house

1370
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,640
grabbed his right rifle

1371
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,640
and he as this thing is crossing the

1372
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,359
road he starts firing into it

1373
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,200
apparently no effect on a whatsoever but

1374
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,760
is making these loud cries and screams

1375
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,280
and other people coming up and it's

1376
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,680
running across the road eating an apple

1377
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,240
and what looked like blood on the road

1378
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,000
so they called the state police and then

1379
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,319
the state police had contacted us

1380
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,160
and we sent our team up right away this

1381
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,319
the troopers got there before we did

1382
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,240
they took if i remember some of the

1383
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,319
apple samples

1384
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:56,400
but they left what looked like blood for

1385
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,520
us

1386
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,240
and uh years and years ago

1387
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,400
we had access through uh

1388
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,079
one of the other research groups back in

1389
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,319
the day and they had some of the top i

1390
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,000
one or two of the top anthropologists in

1391
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,880
the country and it took a long long time

1392
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,880
but anyhow it turned out it was not

1393
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,280
blood it was apple juice mixed with

1394
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,960
saliva but that's the best they could do

1395
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:18,400
at that time

1396
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,119
wow do they happen to did they happen to

1397
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,400
save the samples of that

1398
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,319
if they did we never found we never not

1399
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,640
that i'm aware of now the samples we had

1400
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:30,079
you know we had we had different types

1401
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,760
of testing done at labs over the years

1402
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,760
in different cases but back in those

1403
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,599
days the testing was much different and

1404
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,440
lots of times if i remember was a

1405
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,680
destructive type of test so you lost

1406
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,359
your samples which was unfortunate

1407
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,359
because we had some really good hair

1408
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,119
samples from those days

1409
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,880
and a couple of some of them actually

1410
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,040
mysteriously disappeared in transit

1411
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,839
that's another story but

1412
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,839
but some of the other samples we had

1413
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,520
were destroyed during the testing and i

1414
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,280
wish we had them today

1415
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:58,880
right because you know you have dna

1416
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,359
testing today which would be crucial if

1417
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:03,119
you could actually get saliva from one

1418
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,400
of those things

1419
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:06,079
you know uh

1420
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,480
wow yeah and yeah you do hear about um

1421
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,119
things missing you know uh

1422
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:15,920
evidence missing that seems to

1423
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,880
you know seems to follow the ufo

1424
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,960
field anyway you know like uh for

1425
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,960
instance the socorro

1426
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,960
incident there was a scrape of metal

1427
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,040
scrape on a rock and that somehow

1428
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,440
disappeared when it was in nasa's hands

1429
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:31,839
to take a look at it um you know that

1430
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,240
that type of thing so it is it is a

1431
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:36,640
shame when those things happen but a

1432
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,520
fantastic story stan i always always

1433
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:41,520
love having you on because these stories

1434
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:44,400
are are quite amazing

1435
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:45,200
and

1436
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,680
little interesting aspect of that

1437
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:51,920
october 25th

1438
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,720
ufo landing with the bigfoot so years

1439
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,760
later

1440
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:57,680
during a follow-up interview at one of

1441
00:52:03,190 --> 00:51:59,920
the the primary witnesses because we did

1442
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:03,200
that on important cases

1443
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,520
anyhow what we found out was that um

1444
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,079
there about a week or two after

1445
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:12,079
the incident happened now my team was up

1446
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,599
there numerous times doing follow-up

1447
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:15,359
investigation there was a big deal it

1448
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,880
was in the you know it was in the news

1449
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:18,640
whatever not all these details but

1450
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:20,000
people knew about it

1451
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,599
and um

1452
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,680
we had never used hypnosis on this

1453
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:24,960
fellow because of some of the things

1454
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:26,079
that happened

1455
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,760
and years and years later we're

1456
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:30,000
considering the possibility so we're

1457
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:31,520
we're interviewing

1458
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:34,240
this fellow we call him uh steve uh

1459
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:35,520
pseudonym

1460
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:37,920
and uh we started talking to him about

1461
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:39,760
doing hypno and look at us real funny

1462
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,839
about my associate and i and he said

1463
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:43,280
well why do you want to hypnotize me

1464
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:44,240
again

1465
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,599
and we looked at each other because we

1466
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:47,440
knew none of us and our team had ever

1467
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,119
hypnotized him and he went on to tell us

1468
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,200
that he said it was about a week or two

1469
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:52,960
after the incident happened he said

1470
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,359
among those that came to him there was a

1471
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:57,839
man in a dark suit and a man in an air

1472
00:53:02,390 --> 00:52:59,920
force uniform the man in the air force

1473
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,400
uniform had a briefcase with him

1474
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:03,839
he thought for somehow they were

1475
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,160
connected to my group at that time so he

1476
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,839
never thought much about it

1477
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,880
anyhow

1478
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,800
he said these fellas came there they

1479
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,040
wanted him to tell them all the details

1480
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:15,359
of what had taken place

1481
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:16,480
and

1482
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:17,440
then

1483
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:20,000
during that time the air force person

1484
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,520
opened his briefcase and took out

1485
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,160
pictures about ufos and bigfoot and i

1486
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:25,839
remember him telling me there was a

1487
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,160
picture of a bigfoot carrying a dead pig

1488
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,400
under his arm climbing a fence i believe

1489
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:32,880
in georgia and they wanted him to point

1490
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,680
out the similar ufo pictures and the

1491
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,839
similar bigfoot pictures as to what he

1492
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:39,760
saw and then apparently they did

1493
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:42,319
hypnotize him they thanked him very much

1494
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,680
they said they'll be in touch with him

1495
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,920
again and he never heard from him again

1496
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:47,920
and of course we tried to follow up on

1497
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,720
that but of course now is 1973.

1498
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:52,800
so blue book closed down in january in

1499
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,760
1970 officially and there was no records

1500
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,280
of anything and we couldn't find out who

1501
00:54:02,230 --> 00:53:59,520
it was but there were other mystery men

1502
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,240
that showed up during that time period

1503
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,000
when some very strange things were going

1504
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:06,880
on 73 and the 74.

1505
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:09,520
i had a i had someone on the show that

1506
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:12,640
was is not in the so-called ufo circuit

1507
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,839
i just happened to talk to him um and

1508
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:18,240
uh he told me this amazing story i had

1509
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,280
him on i don't know maybe four years ago

1510
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,319
and back in the i thought he said the

1511
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:27,200
60s i believe it was he was just a kid

1512
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:29,280
and had a ufo sighting and wrote to the

1513
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,640
air force and these two people showed up

1514
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:34,559
at his door and one of them he thought

1515
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:36,880
was rupaul after all these years you

1516
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,160
know looking into it later on and but

1517
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,480
the the reason i'm bringing this up is

1518
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:44,480
because they sat with him

1519
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,880
his mother let him sit in a room with

1520
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,640
these two guys one was an air force

1521
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,599
uniform one was in a suit or something

1522
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,760
and they showed him pictures

1523
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,079
of ufos in a book

1524
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,480
and said did it look like this did it

1525
00:55:01,349 --> 00:55:00,400
look like that and it almost sounds

1526
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,359
similar

1527
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:03,520
to what you're saying that they showed

1528
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,720
him this picture of a bigfoot carrying a

1529
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:09,440
pig as you said i believe you said that

1530
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:12,079
uh yeah that's really really something

1531
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,520
how they would

1532
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:15,280
that's the second time i've heard that

1533
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:17,359
type of story

1534
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,040
well there there is so much you know

1535
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,200
there's so much to these cases we're

1536
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,280
dealing with that the public's not aware

1537
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,119
of or they really ever hear about the

1538
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,119
other thing that i think is very

1539
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:29,040
significant is what i call many ufo

1540
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:30,559
sightings i think i just

1541
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,480
barely touched on it but since the 1960s

1542
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,319
i've been the best gave these incidents

1543
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,160
of these objects

1544
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,480
that are not high in the sky they're

1545
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,960
very low to the ground they come very

1546
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,880
close to witnesses

1547
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,119
and they're generally pretty small they

1548
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,520
range anywhere the smallest ones look

1549
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,520
like oversized lightning bugs or

1550
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:52,960
fireflies about an inch or two in

1551
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,440
diameter but they go up to about a foot

1552
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:57,200
or two in diameter

1553
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:58,880
gently spherical but not always

1554
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:01,200
spherical objects

1555
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,200
some are solid metallic looking other

1556
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:05,119
ones are just brilliant light sources of

1557
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,640
various colors

1558
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,799
but what's really interesting again

1559
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:11,040
they'll come right up to people at times

1560
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,559
even in daylight

1561
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,960
i've had them pace vehicles i've had

1562
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,280
them enter people's vehicles and homes

1563
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,520
through open windows and float around

1564
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,359
and then sometimes go out the windows

1565
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,799
sometimes go right through the walls of

1566
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:24,240
the house or right through the bed of

1567
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:25,760
the vehicle

1568
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,960
and those cases are very very intriguing

1569
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,960
and these things are they're going on

1570
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:32,960
more and more over the years

1571
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,760
but also what's fascinating is

1572
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,760
in more recent years not only in

1573
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,160
pennsylvania and ongoing even recent

1574
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,960
weeks reports i'm getting but

1575
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,960
in other parts of the country as well in

1576
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,400
areas where you have a lot of history of

1577
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,559
bigfoot sightings but bigfoot

1578
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,240
researchers

1579
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,319
and witnesses are reporting these

1580
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:54,400
unusual spheres of light some people

1581
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,680
call them orbs

1582
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:57,839
uh it lowers the trees sometimes coming

1583
00:57:02,630 --> 00:56:59,920
close to them

1584
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,640
and sometimes these cases you have some

1585
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,880
direct connection with bigfoot as well

1586
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,319
and i'll give you one interesting

1587
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,319
example this occurred

1588
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,000
just

1589
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,240
outside of pittsburgh in a wooded rural

1590
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,799
area in may of 2019

1591
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:16,400
and it was early morning hours and this

1592
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,280
fella

1593
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,640
i think it was in the kitchen or

1594
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,480
whatever look out the back window that

1595
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,559
whole back area where he lived was well

1596
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,400
illuminated and there was a large wooded

1597
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,640
area and he sees a smaller bigfoot we

1598
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,559
get reports of smaller ones too it's

1599
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,640
four and a half to five feet tall

1600
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:32,960
it was covered with long dark hair

1601
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,960
uh and he was walking upright on two

1602
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:35,920
legs

1603
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,240
arms were swinging he got a really good

1604
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,760
look at this thing

1605
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,440
and it's moving pretty fast and it goes

1606
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:43,760
to a particular area of the woods as it

1607
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:46,400
enters the woods seconds later at the

1608
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:48,480
exact location where it entered the

1609
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,200
woods this bright sphere of light about

1610
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,880
three to four inches in diameter just

1611
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,960
suddenly appeared and he said it was

1612
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,400
similar to looking directly into the

1613
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:58,000
front of a flashlight but it's only

1614
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:00,079
about four feet off the ground the light

1615
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,920
then went three seconds and then

1616
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:03,760
vanished and a few seconds late it

1617
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,160
reappears again about 10 feet away

1618
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,799
this time the small sphere emits a

1619
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:10,960
bright beam of light about 10 to 12 feet

1620
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,200
long after a few seconds the beam of

1621
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:15,280
light and the object is gone

1622
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,960
but those are the kind of things that

1623
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:18,480
are happening and you know we had an

1624
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:21,440
amazing cave during that 73 wave north

1625
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,400
of pittsburgh

1626
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,319
you had two witnesses out in the country

1627
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:26,319
waiting for a friend to pick them up

1628
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,359
they see this around the 7 8 foot tall

1629
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:31,520
hair covered bigfoot with white hair you

1630
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:32,720
don't hear about the white ones very

1631
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,200
often we get those reports it's strange

1632
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,119
enough to see a bigfoot running across

1633
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,440
the road towards the woods but in one of

1634
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:42,240
its hand it's carrying a small sphere of

1635
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:43,280
light

1636
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,200
and as is walking into the woods a few

1637
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,440
minutes later this object comes across

1638
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:49,520
the sky projects a beam of light down

1639
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:50,880
into the woods where the creature went

1640
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,640
into

1641
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:54,000
geez

1642
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,520
just crazy

1643
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:57,359
in the the white one

1644
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,720
isn't that what they used to call the

1645
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:00,400
abominable snowman or something like

1646
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,920
that

1647
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:03,599
well again when you hear the reports

1648
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,559
from the yeti uh up in the himalayas uh

1649
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,000
a lot of those reports are of something

1650
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:09,920
white in the united states you do get

1651
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,319
some reports most of the bigfoot reports

1652
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:15,119
are generally of a darker color but we

1653
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:16,799
are getting those kind of reports it was

1654
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,400
i think it was january of last year

1655
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:23,280
21 up on top of the chestnut ridge which

1656
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:25,040
we'll probably talk about it's one of

1657
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:26,720
those areas where we have consistent

1658
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,119
reports year after year uh daylight

1659
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,119
sighting fella never believed in these

1660
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,440
kind of stories uh lived way up in the

1661
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,359
country out in the woods and observes a

1662
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,200
seven half to eight foot tall

1663
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:39,599
hair covered he said it was dirty white

1664
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:41,280
matted hair which we've had other

1665
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:44,000
reports cytosine clearly walking across

1666
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,680
the field and unfortunately he's outside

1667
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,440
he has no camera with them and that

1668
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,599
seems to happen quite a bit

1669
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:51,760
i got to tell this real quick story i'm

1670
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,960
trying to have this

1671
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:55,119
um you know my show is basically about

1672
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:57,040
ufos but this

1673
01:00:02,230 --> 00:59:59,119
this is uh

1674
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,240
another strange like cryptid thing is my

1675
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,480
uh a friend of my son

1676
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:06,640
was this is his story

1677
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,240
again i'm trying to get him on just to

1678
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:10,480
talk you know i do my everything else

1679
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:13,200
show uh maybe get him on that for a few

1680
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:14,720
minutes but

1681
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:18,400
he was in a very remote area in maine

1682
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:19,280
and

1683
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:28,400
that looked like it had long spider legs

1684
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,079
like several legs

1685
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,720
but sort of like a almost like a human

1686
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:34,480
head

1687
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:35,520
and then

1688
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,319
uh

1689
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,559
they like made noise or whatever when

1690
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:40,079
they saw it like i don't know if they

1691
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:42,720
screamed or whatever but the thing made

1692
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:45,760
a scream and ran across the river and

1693
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,680
and they and they followed

1694
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:50,079
the tracks they saw these like poke

1695
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:52,160
holes in the in the ground where it was

1696
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:55,440
running i mean really bizarre story

1697
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,559
do they get

1698
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:58,400
do you have also

1699
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,200
encounters of really strange i i know

1700
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,119
you wrote in your the title your book is

1701
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:05,280
creepy cryptids but do you have like

1702
01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:06,880
strange things like anything have you

1703
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:08,839
ever heard of anything similar to

1704
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:12,160
that uh somewhat and yeah actually the

1705
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:14,000
new book is full of cases like that

1706
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:15,599
there's things in there creatures in

1707
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:18,319
there that i was even stunned one case

1708
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,760
really stunned me

1709
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:21,440
among others and there were so many

1710
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:23,599
different ones because it deals with all

1711
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:26,480
kind of things uh just bizarre creatures

1712
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,599
a lot of it's not just bigfoot um

1713
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:31,119
some of the things for example let me

1714
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,480
give you an example of this back in 2017

1715
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:36,319
and i think i had maybe a reporter to

1716
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:38,559
prior to that in 2017

1717
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,640
we began to have a serious report of

1718
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,799
these of this tall

1719
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:44,720
humanoid

1720
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,079
hairless sickly looking creature

1721
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,160
and the first report actually i got was

1722
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,040
uh in the fall of 2017

1723
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:55,359
uh southwest pga from a police officer

1724
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,640
on patrol

1725
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,640
and he said this is the weirdest thing i

1726
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,240
have ever experienced in my life he said

1727
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:02,160
i'm on patrol i'm out in the rural area

1728
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:03,520
that i patrol

1729
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:05,920
commonly he said i i'm riding down this

1730
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:08,240
dark road and ahead of me i see this

1731
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,640
this very dull white ball of light low

1732
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,480
to the ground and he's thinking i've

1733
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:14,480
never seen any lighting like that before

1734
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:17,920
and he stops his vehicle and suddenly

1735
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:20,079
this ball of light rises up from the

1736
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,440
ground

1737
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:23,359
and he realizes actually the head of

1738
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:26,079
this being that's about six feet tall or

1739
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:27,200
larger

1740
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:29,039
and he said it was stolen with skeletal

1741
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:31,200
thin it was hairless

1742
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:33,280
and that it's illuminating the upper

1743
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:36,000
section of the body of this thing

1744
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:37,760
and he watches this thing it turns to

1745
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:38,960
the right

1746
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,359
and he can see it's illuminating up

1747
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,200
around the shoulder area

1748
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:45,119
and it turns and faces him then turns

1749
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:46,480
his left and he said

1750
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:48,880
it moved at such an incredible speed he

1751
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,039
said i assume it ran

1752
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,119
but he said it was just seconds he said

1753
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:55,359
i have never in my life he was it was

1754
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,720
abnormal he said i've never seen

1755
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,559
anything it was fascinating anything

1756
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:00,880
i've ever seen it was there and then it

1757
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,520
was gone and interestingly that's almost

1758
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,520
the same terms that people used with

1759
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:07,440
people with with some bigfoot case where

1760
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:09,280
the thing just suddenly appears out of

1761
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:11,359
nowhere walk in front of a vehicle they

1762
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:13,920
see it from head to toe and it's gone

1763
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:15,920
just like we talk about the traxxas end

1764
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:18,880
abruptly and that's gone um so within

1765
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:21,520
weeks other somewhat similar reports

1766
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:22,480
came in

1767
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,079
these reports by the way or some of

1768
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:25,920
these are in the new book as well and

1769
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:28,799
they go in a lot more detail but strange

1770
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:31,440
strange stuff and then was another case

1771
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:33,359
uh and this is over towards the

1772
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:35,680
armstrong county area

1773
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:38,079
outside of pittsburgh so this would have

1774
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:39,520
been

1775
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:42,720
in the fall i'm trying to remember i

1776
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:47,119
believe was the of 2018 yeah fall 2018.

1777
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:48,960
so this guy actually lives deep in the

1778
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:51,280
woods he knows animals very well

1779
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:53,119
and he hears this bipedal sound he knew

1780
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:55,039
it was not deer but it sounded kind of

1781
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:56,000
odd

1782
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:57,440
they decided i'm going to get down to

1783
01:04:03,510 --> 01:03:58,640
the house

1784
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:03,520
he's sitting there about 10 feet away at

1785
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:05,920
the table from the back door which is a

1786
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:08,400
big glass door with no drapes on it

1787
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:10,480
there it's completely open you can see

1788
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,599
right through it

1789
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:13,920
and all of a sudden he looks and here's

1790
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,720
this humanoid creature again

1791
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:18,640
he said it looked like skelet like a

1792
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:20,880
skeleton cover with all gray skin

1793
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:23,039
gray bony legs the legs looked some of

1794
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:25,440
the back legs of a greyhound dog the

1795
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:27,200
arms were long

1796
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:28,880
were longer than normal bony and

1797
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:31,039
hairless the head was round the neck was

1798
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:32,960
small they had appeared to be on their

1799
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:35,280
shoulders the mouth was closed the eyes

1800
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:37,520
were glowing a dull yellow color

1801
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:38,799
he said this thing probably would have

1802
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:41,359
stead at least six or seven feet tall

1803
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:42,720
he said he could see its spine

1804
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:45,119
protruding as it moved and was down on

1805
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,880
all fours and scampered around the house

1806
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:48,160
and was gone

1807
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:50,319
i mean that's just an example you know i

1808
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:52,319
go into strange things that are being

1809
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,680
seen in the rivers the lakes of

1810
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:54,960
pennsylvania

1811
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:56,880
weird things uh

1812
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,559
thunderbird sightings reports of these

1813
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,480
huge flying creatures and we had a

1814
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:02,400
number of them last year i've been

1815
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,480
investigating them for years and you

1816
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:06,400
know i've talked to uh people who have

1817
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:08,079
backgrounds and experience with

1818
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,000
ornithology and the study of birds and

1819
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,400
they these people saw some of these huge

1820
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:14,559
flying we're talking wingspans from 10

1821
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:15,920
to 20 feet

1822
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:17,920
some of these sightings were in daylight

1823
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:20,000
very low the ground and i had incidents

1824
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:22,240
where they actually on the ground

1825
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:24,640
blocking vehicles eating roadkill in

1826
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:26,480
some cases they had the wings opened up

1827
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:28,319
so they could see this huge massive

1828
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:30,559
wingspan one case i looked into happened

1829
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:31,839
in neighboring west virginia back

1830
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,280
several years ago it was a two-lane road

1831
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,359
and after the incident because the man

1832
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:39,280
could see this thing flapping its wings

1833
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,039
there was dust and dirt coming up to the

1834
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:43,359
ends of the wingtips and as it took off

1835
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:45,680
he looked at the spot very carefully he

1836
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:47,359
came back the next day and measured it

1837
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:51,280
it was 21 feet across

1838
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,039
there's nothing that we know about that

1839
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:55,200
size which is

1840
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:58,000
not really bizarre and another another

1841
01:06:02,069 --> 01:06:00,160
anomalous creature that's really

1842
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:02,079
interesting are reports continuous

1843
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:03,839
reports of black panthers including this

1844
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:05,039
year already

1845
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,480
and you know when we think of black

1846
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:08,640
panthers we think uh black leopards

1847
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:11,119
black jaguars not common to this part of

1848
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:12,079
the world

1849
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:13,359
right but they've seen them here in

1850
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:15,039
pennsylvania and many other parts of the

1851
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:16,640
country for years and years where they

1852
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:18,640
should not be but here's what's

1853
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:19,920
interesting

1854
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:22,559
something again i found years ago

1855
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:25,520
in some cases especially in these areas

1856
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,400
where this phenomena seems to focus on

1857
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,640
target on particular geographical

1858
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:32,880
locations we have the sometimes long

1859
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,240
history of again

1860
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,240
paranormal stuff you have the orbs of

1861
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,400
light the balls of light you have ufos

1862
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:40,079
you have

1863
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,160
screams and cries and footprints and

1864
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:44,160
strange creatures being seen and ufo

1865
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:45,760
phenomena going on

1866
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,720
in some areas like that you sometimes

1867
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:50,640
have more than one crypt so not just

1868
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:52,160
bigfoot sightings

1869
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:54,079
sometimes you got thunderbirds and then

1870
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,839
you got these black panthers showing up

1871
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:57,680
at about the same time

1872
01:07:01,990 --> 01:06:59,280
and there have been incidents over the

1873
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:02,000
years not only in pa but other parts of

1874
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:04,720
the country we have a bigfoot

1875
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:07,039
side by side with another cryptid which

1876
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:08,480
a lot of people never heard about this

1877
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:09,920
before

1878
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:10,960
and

1879
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:12,960
i'm just telling you the more i know

1880
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:15,280
about it the more bizarre it is and

1881
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,799
again i'm not the only one because other

1882
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,720
researchers around the country have been

1883
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:20,160
finding more and more of the same type

1884
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:21,680
of things going on

1885
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:24,240
and one pattern i found years ago is

1886
01:07:26,829 --> 01:07:25,520
that

1887
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:26,839
many

1888
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:30,319
low-level close-range ufo sightings

1889
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,160
and many encounters with bigfoot and

1890
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:34,720
other cryptids other unusual creatures

1891
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:37,359
calmly occur in the vicinity of energy

1892
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:38,400
sources

1893
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:40,960
so you have many incidents around

1894
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:43,200
high tension power lines

1895
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:45,920
uh power plants uh railroad tracks

1896
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:47,680
bodies of water

1897
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:49,039
uh radio

1898
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,839
and cell phone communication towers

1899
01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:53,760
uh gas wells gas lines i may have

1900
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:55,760
mentioned that there's no doubt in my

1901
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:57,359
mind that whatever we're dealing with

1902
01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:59,119
there's some type of energy connection

1903
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:01,920
to to whatever it is

1904
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:03,760
right there was a question that came up

1905
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:06,480
a while back here i saw and asking

1906
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:08,240
basically that question

1907
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:09,359
what do you think it is about

1908
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:11,119
pennsylvania that attracts these kinds

1909
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:13,359
of things um but you're you're talking

1910
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:15,839
about these are man-made things is what

1911
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:18,640
you're talking about mostly right

1912
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:20,080
now what i'm saying is there's some

1913
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:21,199
connection

1914
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,000
between the sightings of low-level ufos

1915
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:25,839
and these creatures and they seem to be

1916
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:28,400
attracted to the the man-made energy

1917
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,309
right i got it and so when you're when

1918
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:36,960
you're citing these uh cases

1919
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,839
um do you do when you go into your book

1920
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:41,920
do you have more specific

1921
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:44,159
uh things like for the date and the

1922
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:47,040
places where things happen

1923
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:49,520
oh yeah it goes in that there's dates

1924
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:52,159
there's uh you know i don't give exact

1925
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,759
locations because a lot of these things

1926
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:55,520
are on private property

1927
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:58,000
and of course witnesses 99 of them don't

1928
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:59,679
want their names used

1929
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,799
um

1930
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,400
again i understand that because you know

1931
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:04,400
i i get calls from people who see these

1932
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,920
things all the time current reports and

1933
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:07,920
past reports and we didn't even talk

1934
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:10,159
about some of the more recent sightings

1935
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,880
and uh this stuff is just going on on

1936
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,640
and on you know when we're talking about

1937
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:17,040
the ufo mystery it's not something that

1938
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:19,679
happens on a rare occasion i mean i deal

1939
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:22,000
with these cases every year all year

1940
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:23,920
round and all type of weather conditions

1941
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,000
daytime as well as at night and if you

1942
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,560
go back on my website and take a look

1943
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:30,000
there's a lot of information on an

1944
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:31,279
incident have happened the last several

1945
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:33,279
years and i can tell you even during the

1946
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:36,719
pandemic it's i am really surprised

1947
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,040
from the reports have been coming in

1948
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:41,040
from going back from the time of it even

1949
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,600
prior to the pandemic 2017 2018 2019

1950
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:47,600
2019 was very active

1951
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,199
20 20 21 last year was steady reports

1952
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:53,600
coming in a lot of elongated

1953
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,360
cigar-shaped objects even daylight

1954
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:57,920
reports triangular objects

1955
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:00,080
low-level reports coming in cryptid

1956
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:02,080
reports coming in but here's what's

1957
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,679
really fascinating you know generally

1958
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:07,840
in the fall or winter months every year

1959
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,239
because of the weather changes and all

1960
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:12,320
reports begin to slow down

1961
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:14,320
but for whatever reason

1962
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:18,320
last year 2021 starting in october

1963
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:21,679
and uh continuing right actually up to

1964
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,000
the last couple weeks

1965
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:26,560
it's been non-stop reports coming in so

1966
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:28,880
even this year i mean january february

1967
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:31,840
march it's been real busy with repo and

1968
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:33,679
again what's really intriguing is it's

1969
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,000
not just lights in the sky and objects

1970
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,560
making strange movements in the sky but

1971
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:40,400
some of these are low-level incidents

1972
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:42,159
which i can give you examples of some of

1973
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:44,640
these cases that are being reported from

1974
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,880
different areas and again this is not

1975
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:48,960
making the news because the majority of

1976
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:50,960
people are not calling into the news

1977
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:53,360
media and reporting these things

1978
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:54,800
but i'm getting reports other

1979
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:56,960
researchers getting reports

1980
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,719
and from what i'm

1981
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,159
being in touch with other researchers

1982
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:02,719
i'm hearing even in other states over

1983
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:04,159
the last few months there seems to be

1984
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:06,719
some activity going on but i don't know

1985
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:08,560
why it's happening but this is what's

1986
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:10,239
going on

1987
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:11,920
right yeah let's get into some of those

1988
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:14,640
cases uh i'd like to hear more details

1989
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,679
about them

1990
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:17,600
if i could all right i'm just gonna i'm

1991
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:20,159
just gonna give you some examples here

1992
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:20,880
so

1993
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,199
october of last year

1994
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,280
um this would be around the again

1995
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,880
armstrong county area outside of

1996
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:28,080
pittsburgh

1997
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:31,120
uh in the evening a very large wingless

1998
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,800
object with red lights along the bottom

1999
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,320
non-flashing

2000
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,640
uh the only sound was just this large

2001
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,239
object moving through the air there was

2002
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:41,120
no motor sound there were six smaller or

2003
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:43,760
white objects following the larger

2004
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:45,520
object and then these lights began the

2005
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:48,000
circle of this very large object

2006
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:49,040
and

2007
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:50,880
they moved ahead of the large object

2008
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,480
continue off in the distance and then

2009
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:54,239
the large object continued out over the

2010
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:56,239
trees and was gone

2011
01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:58,239
in mid-october

2012
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,000
this was a major highway around 119

2013
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:04,400
near scott delmal pleasant exit

2014
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:07,199
man contact a very reputable person

2015
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:08,880
stays riding in his car and all of a

2016
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:10,640
sudden several cars in front of them all

2017
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,400
hit their brakes at the same time and he

2018
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:14,239
happens to look up apparently they're

2019
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:15,679
all seeing the same thing he said it was

2020
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:18,400
very cloudy and overcast at the time

2021
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:19,679
and

2022
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:24,719
gray cloud though that was lighter in

2023
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:25,679
color

2024
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:28,080
it was very low in the sky

2025
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:29,840
and it looked to be the size of a school

2026
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,159
bus but what caused everybody to slow

2027
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:35,040
down was this strange cloud is making

2028
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,719
these erratic movements right in the

2029
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,800
left up and down in the sky they were

2030
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,320
very easily discernible he said it was

2031
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:42,719
like similar to a school of fish

2032
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,960
following a lead fish around

2033
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:46,560
and he watched this thing for about 10

2034
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:48,719
to 15 seconds and he was he was trying

2035
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,239
to get a cell phone out to get a picture

2036
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:52,320
of it he was just about to pass

2037
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:54,719
underneath an overpass it was beginning

2038
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,800
to fade away when he came out of it

2039
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:58,719
seconds later it was gone

2040
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:01,040
here's another report from october so

2041
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,719
this was north of pittsburgh butler

2042
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,800
county here's one of these interesting

2043
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:06,560
cases

2044
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,199
this came in from dan hagner of the boru

2045
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:11,440
research group on that area this was up

2046
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:13,360
near a town called meridian

2047
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:14,960
he said

2048
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:18,000
a witness that evening reported seeing

2049
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:20,000
some movement in the bushes near the

2050
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:21,679
road around dusk

2051
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,440
a large hair covered creature about

2052
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:25,360
seven feet tall walking upright moving

2053
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,679
fast moved to the right was hairy muddy

2054
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:29,360
and had matted hair

2055
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,000
but within hour within the hour in the

2056
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:34,159
same general area other witnesses were

2057
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,560
reporting a very large triangular object

2058
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:40,480
about a hundred feet off the ground

2059
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,440
about the size of three buses hovering

2060
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,360
and he said the object had lights in

2061
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:47,040
each corner and the object was

2062
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:50,320
completely silent and witnesses reported

2063
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,400
feeling a static electric charge while

2064
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:54,640
in the vicinity of the object and that's

2065
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:56,719
really interesting because

2066
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,320
i had two other reports within weeks of

2067
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,640
different areas of people reporting

2068
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:04,239
being close to

2069
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:08,640
a ufo and have feeling the static charge

2070
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:10,800
that's interesting anyhow i'm just going

2071
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,239
down some of the different reports

2072
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:14,080
coming in here's another one very

2073
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:16,719
interesting report this was mid-november

2074
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:19,199
last year this is uh

2075
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:21,199
along the chestnut ridge up in fayette

2076
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:23,760
county in the afternoon persons riding

2077
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,480
down the road sees this object

2078
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,880
quite low to the ground three lights and

2079
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:30,880
around the triangular configuration

2080
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:33,280
looked similar to a guitar picking shape

2081
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:35,760
said it looked like a purp um

2082
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:37,920
it was it was kind of a rounded

2083
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:40,080
triangular configuration

2084
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:42,000
and the lights perfectly circular were

2085
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:44,159
non-blinking orange yellow in color

2086
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:46,480
about the size of a dinner plate as this

2087
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:49,360
person got closer the silent object was

2088
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,080
to her left and she had to pass below

2089
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:54,320
section of it it was only about 30 feet

2090
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:55,760
above the ground

2091
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,159
and she said this thing was not that big

2092
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:00,080
it was only about 10 feet long about six

2093
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:02,800
feet wide got a real good look at it

2094
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,719
happened to have her her dog in the

2095
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:06,719
vehicle and the dog was moving his head

2096
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:08,719
around looking right at him and this

2097
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:10,960
person is touching a dog to comfort it

2098
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,120
and as she touched the dog she got a

2099
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:15,360
static charge from touching the dog

2100
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:16,640
while the object's there which he

2101
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:18,719
generally never did so that was

2102
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:20,560
interesting other reports around

2103
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:21,840
pittsburgh

2104
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:22,800
um

2105
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,920
i'm just going through some of these

2106
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,360
other reports here

2107
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:27,840
uh in in january at the end of this year

2108
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:30,560
so this is outside of latrobe a death

2109
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:32,400
again it's close to that section the

2110
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:35,199
chestnut ridge which is a it's a

2111
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,560
mountain range it goes through

2112
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:38,800
westmoreland indiana county and

2113
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,520
southwest pa and extends down into near

2114
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:43,360
morgantown west virginia

2115
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,600
and it's a hotbed for sightings it's

2116
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:47,360
it's long it's about 100 miles long

2117
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:48,320
almost

2118
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:50,000
and but there's certain areas especially

2119
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:51,600
along the westmoreland county side up in

2120
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:54,000
this area where we get reports year

2121
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:55,440
after year of all kinds of strange

2122
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:57,760
things going on and i've spent many

2123
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:00,320
years many nights during the years in

2124
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:03,360
the past with my teams up there but

2125
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:06,640
i only saw evidence i never saw anything

2126
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,040
and so anyhow on this case this is early

2127
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:11,040
morning hours this is around 4 40 in the

2128
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,880
morning person goes outside i think they

2129
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,560
get a newspaper

2130
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:17,040
notices these uh two-way and two-wave

2131
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:19,120
lights and a red light

2132
01:16:23,350 --> 01:16:21,199
sees an object that can't really discern

2133
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:23,360
the shape but then all of a sudden the

2134
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,360
multiple lights come on the underside of

2135
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:27,360
the object it looked like a circuit

2136
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:29,679
board with numerous lights look like

2137
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:31,760
something like solid pipes connected to

2138
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:33,840
some of them the object was making a low

2139
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:37,280
humming sound was very low about 70 feet

2140
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:40,159
high it was between her yard and the

2141
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:41,920
neighbor's yard

2142
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:42,960
and

2143
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:45,520
again there were numerous white lights

2144
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:48,800
something connected to them and the sh

2145
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:52,080
the object was about let me see here

2146
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:53,920
that's let's see the shape of the object

2147
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,280
was not there but the panel section

2148
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:57,920
looked about seven eight feet in length

2149
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,679
and then interestingly and i don't have

2150
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:01,600
this report in front of me right now but

2151
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:03,760
i've got another report weeks later a

2152
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:05,520
few miles away i think it was about an

2153
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,360
hour later out in derry again right

2154
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:09,360
around the base of the ridge

2155
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,800
and they reported

2156
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:12,800
strange sound and strange lights over

2157
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:15,120
top of their field so it's within miles

2158
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:16,640
of the same area

2159
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:17,760
um

2160
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:19,840
now here's a real interesting report

2161
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:21,600
january and this just gives you an

2162
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:23,840
example of what i deal with sometimes so

2163
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:26,320
here's january of this year

2164
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:29,040
so this is um again we have reports all

2165
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:30,640
over the counties all through southwest

2166
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:32,800
pa in other areas too a lot of this was

2167
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:34,960
a southwest pennsylvania so early

2168
01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:37,520
morning early january

2169
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:40,480
we had a very long deep freeze going on

2170
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,440
a lot of sub uh subzero temperatures

2171
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:45,280
people were having their pipes break

2172
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:46,880
from the uh from the freezing

2173
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:49,040
temperatures and this fella was very

2174
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:51,920
concerned that his water line was going

2175
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,159
to be freezing up so early morning after

2176
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:57,040
three in the morning he's underneath his

2177
01:18:01,030 --> 01:18:00,080
his home in a crawl space he's is partly

2178
01:18:03,669 --> 01:18:01,040
in it

2179
01:18:05,189 --> 01:18:03,679
and he hears a strange humming clicking

2180
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:05,199
sound behind him but he can't see where

2181
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:07,199
it's coming from the next day his

2182
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:09,120
neighbor calls him

2183
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:10,640
and he knew nothing about his neighbor

2184
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,320
being out there underneath the crawl

2185
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,080
space he said i want to talk about

2186
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:16,239
something really strange i saw over top

2187
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:18,800
of my barn and this was during the same

2188
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:20,400
time period apparently the guy was

2189
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,040
underneath his house and he said

2190
01:18:26,709 --> 01:18:25,440
let awake me was something was upsetting

2191
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:26,719
the horses

2192
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:30,719
up and he starts walking towards the

2193
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:31,840
barn

2194
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:34,000
and he says as he's getting close to the

2195
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:36,159
barn he gets i think about 150 feet away

2196
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:38,159
from the barn this goes closer these

2197
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,719
lights suddenly appear about about 20

2198
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,159
feet over the barn

2199
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,920
and they are and then he sees this

2200
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:45,199
object

2201
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:47,120
that he said kind of a teardrop shape

2202
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:50,640
object about 65 to 70 feet warm smooth

2203
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,880
silver a metallic looks similar to

2204
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:55,120
stainless or galvanized steel it was

2205
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:57,520
solid and smooth the object emitted a

2206
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,440
humming buzzing noise there were

2207
01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:01,280
numerous lights across the surface a

2208
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,440
look around approximately eight rows of

2209
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:05,600
20-30 lights that would change from a

2210
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:08,800
red to blue and then back to uh red

2211
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:10,159
and he said he watched this thing hover

2212
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,679
for about five minutes and he didn't

2213
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:13,679
have his camera with him and he said he

2214
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:15,440
watched the light suddenly the lights

2215
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:17,679
went out everything went dark and the

2216
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:20,640
object just disappeared it never he

2217
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,320
never saw it leaving the area it was

2218
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:24,480
just gone and moments later all the

2219
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:26,800
horses went back to normal behavior but

2220
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:29,280
that's not the end of it so then another

2221
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:30,800
report comes in

2222
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:32,719
um when my research says because jim

2223
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:35,120
brown investigated this same morning

2224
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:36,719
this now is about seven o'clock in the

2225
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,440
morning on the pa west virginia border

2226
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:41,199
and uh

2227
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:43,760
this person's outside early i think

2228
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:46,560
taking trash out and notices this object

2229
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:48,080
it's kind of hard to explain it's kind

2230
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:49,600
of elongated

2231
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:51,600
dark center with a light in it and

2232
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:53,040
apparently it's fairly low off the

2233
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:54,159
ground

2234
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:55,040
and

2235
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:56,800
does not have a phone but she thinks i

2236
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:58,159
want to get a picture of this thing so

2237
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:00,000
she runs in her house and when she

2238
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,560
touches the door handle guess what she

2239
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:04,800
gets a static charge which she normally

2240
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:07,440
never does so she runs in grabs her

2241
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,440
phone touches the door again gets

2242
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:11,760
another static charge she goes back out

2243
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:13,600
the object's gone

2244
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:15,679
so jim who's a real high-tech guy has

2245
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:18,480
some very high-tech instrumentation got

2246
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:20,800
there i think within an hour or two

2247
01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:22,480
and uh the lady by the way called her

2248
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:24,880
neighbor to come over and she also got a

2249
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:27,120
static charge so here were three cases

2250
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:28,719
within weeks of this type of thing

2251
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:31,679
happening and then to add to the mystery

2252
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,840
the same morning

2253
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:35,520
and i'm not sure if i have it in this

2254
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:38,480
file or not the same morning

2255
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,920
hold on a second i'm going to try to

2256
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:41,520
switch and see if i can find this report

2257
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:43,760
i have pages and pages reports just from

2258
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:45,520
this year already which is just pretty

2259
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:48,400
amazing so we're looking january 15th

2260
01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:49,760
and

2261
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:50,800
at

2262
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:52,320
a little after nine o'clock in the

2263
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:54,560
morning from cambria county so another

2264
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:57,040
county of you know distance away

2265
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:58,960
people in daylight see guess what they

2266
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:01,360
see they see a black panther

2267
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:03,760
in the daylight very close range they

2268
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:05,520
did get a picture of it it's not real

2269
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:07,199
clear but you can see the back section

2270
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:08,000
of it

2271
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:09,120
and

2272
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:11,760
so now you have three really interesting

2273
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,440
new uh cases

2274
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:15,360
on that day and then you have this uh

2275
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:17,520
black panther sighting too that's just

2276
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,080
an example what i deal with pretty often

2277
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:22,239
on the same day

2278
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,510
yeah uh i i have heard people talk about

2279
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,520
a black panther in america you know i

2280
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:32,880
mean

2281
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:34,239
which is

2282
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,080
but again it's kind of like

2283
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:38,880
bigfoot nobody's ever caught one as far

2284
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:40,719
as i know and you would think that they

2285
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:43,199
would find remains or something

2286
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:46,320
um if if they're wandering or you know

2287
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:49,360
if they're breeding yeah you know they

2288
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:52,000
bizarre stuff i i love all this i'm

2289
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:53,840
going to try to uh

2290
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:55,920
uh there was a let me see there was

2291
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:58,480
another question up here uh someone want

2292
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:00,400
to know if there's any bigfoot sightings

2293
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:04,880
in sarver or lancaster pa

2294
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:05,679
oh

2295
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:07,360
sorry if you're talking about sovereign

2296
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,280
armstrong county

2297
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:11,600
lots of activity even the last few years

2298
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,000
i've written about some of these cases i

2299
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,480
believe i have a several cases

2300
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:18,400
of different cryptids from the closet

2301
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:20,480
area in my new book actually but anyhow

2302
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,000
armstrong county

2303
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:24,400
very active with ufo sightings cryptid

2304
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:25,520
reports

2305
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:28,080
a lot of weird stuff all around there uh

2306
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:29,920
and lancaster county has had incidents

2307
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:32,320
going back to leaks of 70s during that

2308
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:34,239
massive wave of ufo bigfoot sighting

2309
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:36,080
there was incidents going on down around

2310
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:38,000
lancaster county so in eastern pa as

2311
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,320
well there is probably not an area in

2312
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:42,320
pennsylvania that something unusual

2313
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:44,239
hasn't happened and some areas just have

2314
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,280
a lot of active history some areas have

2315
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:49,199
more activity than others

2316
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:50,320
and

2317
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,760
sightings all over the state there have

2318
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:55,760
been incidents where um

2319
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:57,760
i could tell you for example in march of

2320
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:59,600
1983

2321
01:23:03,669 --> 01:23:01,360
see how my memory is doing here there

2322
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:03,679
was a black panther panther incident in

2323
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:06,080
a suburb of pittsburgh so a populated

2324
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:07,040
area

2325
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:08,639
and this actually made the news by the

2326
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:09,520
way

2327
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:11,120
and um

2328
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:13,120
my team investigated it

2329
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,560
uh this was a large auto dealership

2330
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:18,239
right near the edge of the big woods was

2331
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:19,760
a big fence separating the woods from

2332
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:21,920
the dealership and mechanics putting a

2333
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,840
headlight on the car that morning and

2334
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:25,920
this huge black panther

2335
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:27,840
with a dead animal in his mouth dives

2336
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:29,760
over the car lands a few feet away from

2337
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:31,040
the mechanic

2338
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:32,960
i mean it's so close he could smell it

2339
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:35,280
he can hear it breathing and it turns

2340
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:37,120
around and jumps back over the car back

2341
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:38,320
into the woods

2342
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:40,239
so other people see it there's a big one

2343
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:42,800
and a small one that led to a big search

2344
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:44,000
by

2345
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:45,679
the pittsburgh police

2346
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:47,920
animal protectors with tranquilizer guns

2347
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:49,760
they searched and searched they never

2348
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:51,600
found it there's nothing missing from

2349
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,320
any zoo or any animal uh place around

2350
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,239
the area and it's another one these

2351
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:58,480
mysteries but what about what about

2352
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:00,880
footprints

2353
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:03,199
i believe they found some but not enough

2354
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,960
to track if i remember i in fact i had

2355
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,960
one of my guys was a professional

2356
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:08,560
tracker my research group now he didn't

2357
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,880
get out there till later but he didn't

2358
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:12,880
find a path i think for a short distance

2359
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:14,800
but then that was it so i don't think

2360
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:17,360
was that conclusive but here's the case

2361
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:19,040
i'm going to tell you about that once

2362
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:20,480
again i told you about some of the

2363
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:22,000
strange elements with black pants

2364
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:23,360
there's a bigfoot scene in the same

2365
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:26,560
areas here's another similarity to some

2366
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,719
of the bigfoot cases we talked about and

2367
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,480
this was the case again

2368
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:32,719
with a black panther that indicated

2369
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:34,400
we're dealing with something again

2370
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:36,080
that's very strange

2371
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:40,320
so this is february of 1983.

2372
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:41,760
fayette county around one o'clock in the

2373
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,040
morning the star was coming home from a

2374
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:45,920
friend's house his car's overheating

2375
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:47,920
he pulls into his driveway

2376
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:49,520
opens the garage and gets a can of

2377
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:52,400
antifreeze he opens the hood and he

2378
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:54,320
hears this growl

2379
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:56,080
so he turns around the look and only

2380
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:57,520
about about 20 feet away here's this

2381
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:59,199
large black house cat sitting there

2382
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:00,639
growling at him

2383
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:02,080
he didn't think much of it because

2384
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:03,600
there's a lot of cats around that rural

2385
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:05,600
area he goes back to putting more

2386
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:08,239
antifreeze in the car seconds later he

2387
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:10,719
hears a second growl but this time the

2388
01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:13,120
ground is much deeper and much louder

2389
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:15,520
than the first one he turns around the

2390
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,040
look and now he can't believe what you

2391
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,520
see him that large house cat has now

2392
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:21,760
physically grown about another foot in

2393
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:22,800
size

2394
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,880
so he throws the empty antifreeze can

2395
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:27,360
add and hits it it growls fiercely at

2396
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:29,600
him and takes a few steps backwards and

2397
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:31,199
growls again and starts moving up the

2398
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:33,679
road outside which is well illuminated

2399
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:35,600
he runs into his garage and grabs his

2400
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:36,560
pistol

2401
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:38,719
and when he comes out it's still out

2402
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:41,840
there but he said now it has physically

2403
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:44,320
grown that has it looks just like a

2404
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:45,760
black panther like you would see in the

2405
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:48,400
zoo and he has brilliant

2406
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:50,560
yellow eyes staring at him he took a

2407
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:52,639
shot at it he wasn't sure if he hit it

2408
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:54,960
but seconds later it physically banished

2409
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:56,320
and disappeared right in front of what

2410
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:01,910
these are just just amazing uh

2411
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:03,840
encounters and i know we're not touching

2412
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:05,760
a whole lot on ufos in the shows about

2413
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:09,040
ufos but um i i think

2414
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:10,480
you know i mean there's just so much

2415
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:13,040
activity going on it's almost like we

2416
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:14,639
want to talk about the state of

2417
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:17,199
pennsylvania but you know paranormal or

2418
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:19,679
whatever this is doesn't really have any

2419
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:22,800
boundaries so what about the states that

2420
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:25,840
um connect new york i'm trying to think

2421
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:28,320
of uh what's around you there the

2422
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:30,639
estates that connect or do these things

2423
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:34,080
trickle into those states as well

2424
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:35,360
uh yes

2425
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,560
uh ohio west virginia maryland

2426
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:40,400
up to new york yeah all these areas

2427
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:41,679
we're hearing reports and again there's

2428
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:43,280
other researchers in those areas some of

2429
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:45,440
which i'm in touch with and they're all

2430
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:48,400
getting similar reports not the extent

2431
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:49,679
that probably i'm getting here but you

2432
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:51,440
got to remember now

2433
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:52,880
this was one the only place in the

2434
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:55,199
country this is 1969

2435
01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:57,280
that my hotline has been open

2436
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:59,199
it never stops ringing between email

2437
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:00,719
reports and phone reports i'm always

2438
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:02,960
getting current and past reports in

2439
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:05,440
so this is a place and especially years

2440
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:07,120
ago when i had my research groups for

2441
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:08,880
years and years there was a place they

2442
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:10,239
could report and it would be

2443
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:13,040
investigated so most other states don't

2444
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:14,560
have that but you have groups and

2445
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:16,719
individual researchers they all get

2446
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:19,760
reports we all get reports

2447
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:21,440
this whatever we're dealing with but

2448
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,080
ufos and these cryptic cases once again

2449
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:26,800
it's not a rare thing these things go on

2450
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:28,880
year after year we're all getting

2451
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,040
reports we can't imagine how much of

2452
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:33,280
this is going on we don't hear about

2453
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:34,800
right well you know we have a place to

2454
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:36,800
report ufos there's

2455
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:39,360
like a mufon and uh

2456
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:41,679
uh what am i trying to think of uh

2457
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:44,800
new fork uh with peter davenport so

2458
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,639
places to report ufos but where do

2459
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:48,880
people report things that you're talking

2460
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,760
about besides you

2461
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:53,360
yeah and that's the whole thing a lot of

2462
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,520
people are very reluctant you know to

2463
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:57,600
call the police department

2464
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:58,960
and even police officers i've

2465
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:01,040
interviewed over the years many police

2466
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:03,679
officers from many departments agencies

2467
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:04,560
you know who have talked to me

2468
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:06,639
confidentially about things they saw i

2469
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:08,560
mean credible people you know you come

2470
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:10,239
down to pew from all walks of life

2471
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:12,320
school teachers engineers

2472
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:14,480
uh pilots i've interviewed numerous

2473
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:15,679
commercial

2474
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:17,600
private uh corporate pilots who have

2475
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:19,360
encountered these objects in the sky for

2476
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:20,800
years and years

2477
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,000
and uh this stuff is it's not a again

2478
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:26,800
it's not a rare phenomenon it's ongoing

2479
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:28,639
there's a lot of activity even like i

2480
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:30,239
said in this year in recent weeks and

2481
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:31,199
months

2482
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:32,400
and

2483
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:37,280
i don't have the answers

2484
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:38,080
you know

2485
01:28:40,629 --> 01:28:39,520
over the years you saw different

2486
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:40,639
patterns

2487
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:43,040
but the more you knew about it the more

2488
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:44,639
you began to wonder what was going on

2489
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:45,920
and then you would have a case who came

2490
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:47,920
in and just throw a loop into your

2491
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:49,520
theory from years ago

2492
01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:52,480
but um i'm convinced more and more that

2493
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:54,159
a lot of what we're dealing with again

2494
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:55,760
it has a physical and non-physical

2495
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:57,040
aspect to it

2496
01:28:59,910 --> 01:28:58,800
these things they come and they go they

2497
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,920
hear and they're gone they can leave

2498
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:01,440
evidence at times

2499
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:03,040
but whatever we're dealing with i think

2500
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,560
right now is well beyond our presence

2501
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:06,400
scientific understanding

2502
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:08,800
when you say non-physical what what

2503
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:10,560
exactly do you mean

2504
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,639
by that

2505
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:14,400
well the fact that you've got a creature

2506
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:16,480
like a bigfoot that looks physically

2507
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:18,880
solid can leave evidence at times and

2508
01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:20,800
then it's gone

2509
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,719
right

2510
01:29:26,470 --> 01:29:24,719
and again even like black panther

2511
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:26,480
reports we've had reports i remember

2512
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:28,800
another uh researcher told me he had a

2513
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,760
report of a this huge flying creature

2514
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:33,920
a few years ago but the witness said it

2515
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,600
was it was strange enough to see this

2516
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:37,440
huge flying creature

2517
01:29:40,709 --> 01:29:39,520
but it was transparent you could see

2518
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:40,719
through it

2519
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:42,800
and then i had another case of all

2520
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:45,760
places and again ufo sightings cryptid

2521
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:47,920
sightings more and more reports in

2522
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:49,760
populated areas where there's not a lot

2523
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:51,840
of woods around that's been going on

2524
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:54,320
more and more over the years uh here in

2525
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:56,719
south greensburg not far from me it's

2526
01:30:00,629 --> 01:29:58,320
this is the major

2527
01:30:02,229 --> 01:30:00,639
area you know for restaurants a business

2528
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:02,239
area you have a lot of traffic through

2529
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:04,320
there for years there's been sightings

2530
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:05,920
of these huge flying creatures right

2531
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:08,080
over the tr right over the traffic on

2532
01:30:11,910 --> 01:30:10,560
route 119 these thunderbird sightings

2533
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:11,920
and um

2534
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,400
and there was a case several years ago

2535
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:16,719
we had a it was a nice uh

2536
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:18,719
winter afternoon we had a big snowstorm

2537
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:22,080
prior to that and two adults and a child

2538
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:23,840
decided to take a leisurely walk that

2539
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:25,360
afternoon or walk in this area where

2540
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:27,600
there had been a history of these huge

2541
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:29,440
flying creature sightings

2542
01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:30,719
and they were just walking around

2543
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,560
looking at the nice scenery

2544
01:30:36,390 --> 01:30:34,719
the young boy wasn't paying attention

2545
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:36,400
but the two women yelled the same time

2546
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:38,800
did you see the size of that bird

2547
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:40,719
here's this huge bird on the ground to

2548
01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:43,280
open up this massive wingspan it's only

2549
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:46,159
20-25 feet away it was not that thick

2550
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:48,400
with trees in that area it starts

2551
01:30:51,510 --> 01:30:50,320
walking right behind the trees in the

2552
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:51,520
fresh snow

2553
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:53,600
they immediately run right up to that

2554
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:55,679
area to see what happened to it

2555
01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:57,920
it's nowhere in sight there's deer

2556
01:31:01,910 --> 01:30:59,920
tracks in the snow there's no other

2557
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:01,920
tracks they would have seen it take off

2558
01:31:04,870 --> 01:31:03,600
and there's nowhere to be seen and

2559
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:04,880
they've just scratched your head like

2560
01:31:09,990 --> 01:31:07,840
where did this thing go

2561
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:10,000
yeah that is just amazing i've i've

2562
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:12,960
spent up i'd like to visit new hope in

2563
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:16,480
that area there it's just a um such a

2564
01:31:20,629 --> 01:31:18,480
pretty area how about that area in

2565
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:20,639
pennsylvania is there ever any reports

2566
01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:22,480
in that area

2567
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:24,320
you know i know the name that i i can't

2568
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:25,840
remember right off here what county is

2569
01:31:28,470 --> 01:31:27,120
do you have no accountability yeah

2570
01:31:30,950 --> 01:31:28,480
that's right it's right on the border of

2571
01:31:33,270 --> 01:31:30,960
uh new jersey um

2572
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:33,280
and let me just see

2573
01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:39,189
um let's see oh bucks county

2574
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:41,600
okay i know there have been a number of

2575
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:44,080
incidents ufo is in bucks county even in

2576
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:45,360
the last year

2577
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:46,960
i know there have been bigfoot activity

2578
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:50,000
around that general area i know um

2579
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:51,520
i'm trying to think even outside of

2580
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:53,679
philadelphia i mean going back to

2581
01:31:58,470 --> 01:31:56,320
i think it was early 75

2582
01:32:00,629 --> 01:31:58,480
and this actually made the news

2583
01:32:01,510 --> 01:32:00,639
uh there was a what appeared to be a

2584
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:01,520
small

2585
01:32:05,830 --> 01:32:03,760
hairy creature like an ape

2586
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:05,840
and they called a small bigfoot that was

2587
01:32:11,189 --> 01:32:08,480
in daylight walking down the street near

2588
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:11,199
some apartment complexes not far outside

2589
01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:13,280
of philadelphia

2590
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:15,679
and i know we've got reports on that and

2591
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:17,520
they made some i think i actually made a

2592
01:32:22,149 --> 01:32:19,679
national newswire story

2593
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:22,159
and uh so these things again they're

2594
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:24,560
appearing not just in wooded areas but

2595
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:26,560
they're appearing more and more

2596
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:29,360
in more residential areas and even with

2597
01:32:34,629 --> 01:32:32,000
ufo sightings i mean pittsburgh major

2598
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:34,639
city i mean we've had so many incidents

2599
01:32:38,149 --> 01:32:36,639
around or even even incidents in last

2600
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:38,159
year in fact

2601
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:41,600
in more late february and of all march

2602
01:32:44,950 --> 01:32:43,360
of last year

2603
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:44,960
an amazing

2604
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:46,960
outbreak of ufo activity went on for

2605
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:49,199
weeks and it and didn't make any news

2606
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:51,040
because apparently these people weren't

2607
01:32:54,550 --> 01:32:52,400
calling the newspaper to talk about it

2608
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:54,560
because they were they were just so

2609
01:32:57,590 --> 01:32:55,920
amazed at what they were seeing but they

2610
01:32:59,189 --> 01:32:57,600
didn't want any publicity

2611
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:59,199
so let me give you an idea and this

2612
01:33:02,950 --> 01:33:00,639
report you can find somebody's report

2613
01:33:04,870 --> 01:33:02,960
store on my website too

2614
01:33:06,790 --> 01:33:04,880
so in march here's a cup here's some

2615
01:33:08,310 --> 01:33:06,800
examples in early march three white

2616
01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:08,320
circle lights triangular formation

2617
01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:10,560
reported from cambria county objects

2618
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:11,760
were observed for a few minutes and

2619
01:33:15,669 --> 01:33:14,159
suddenly vanished daylight observation

2620
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:15,679
of a

2621
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:18,719
large black rectangular object reported

2622
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:20,000
bedford county

2623
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:22,320
large glowing spherical objects seem low

2624
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:24,480
low level and close to homes

2625
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:28,159
uh spheres of white close to the ground

2626
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:30,000
now here's some from buffler county from

2627
01:33:34,870 --> 01:33:32,639
dan hagman again

2628
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:34,880
a witness observed a shiny

2629
01:33:38,390 --> 01:33:36,719
cigar shave object in the morning sky

2630
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,400
the sky was clear with some fluffy

2631
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:40,320
clouds around does not appear of any

2632
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:42,000
wings or a tail witness indicate the

2633
01:33:44,950 --> 01:33:43,440
object was so bright he had to squint

2634
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:44,960
his eyes to view it

2635
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,560
witness familiar with aircraft stopped

2636
01:33:49,270 --> 01:33:48,000
this vehicle got out to get a better

2637
01:33:51,430 --> 01:33:49,280
look at this thing

2638
01:33:53,510 --> 01:33:51,440
the object moved into a cloud

2639
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:53,520
but never exited from the cloud which

2640
01:33:57,270 --> 01:33:55,199
again we hear more and more reports i've

2641
01:33:59,350 --> 01:33:57,280
got in recent years even in daylight so

2642
01:34:01,350 --> 01:33:59,360
here's an interesting early march this

2643
01:34:03,189 --> 01:34:01,360
was up in butler county a man is in his

2644
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:03,199
kitchen during the evening begins to

2645
01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:05,120
throw a strange vibration and heard a

2646
01:34:08,470 --> 01:34:06,400
low rumble

2647
01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:08,480
he realized a sliding glass door to his

2648
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:10,960
deck was vibrating as he looked out the

2649
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:13,360
door the man noticed a very bright and

2650
01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:15,520
very large pulsating round object just

2651
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:17,920
above the trees on the edge of his yard

2652
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:19,679
the light from the object illuminated

2653
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:21,440
his backyard as though it was the middle

2654
01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:23,520
of the afternoon he stepped out on the

2655
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:26,320
deck and was awestruck by what he saw he

2656
01:34:30,629 --> 01:34:28,639
thought a tingling sensation his hair

2657
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:30,639
stood up on end and he had chill bumps

2658
01:34:34,629 --> 01:34:33,040
on his body he called to his wife he

2659
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:34,639
heard inside to get a camera when he

2660
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:36,880
came back it was gone

2661
01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:37,760
um

2662
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:39,520
and so it reports just four more

2663
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:42,239
triangular reports cigar-shaped objects

2664
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:44,080
and i mean this again a lot of this was

2665
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:46,320
going on in the populated suburbs of

2666
01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:47,360
pittsburgh

2667
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:48,960
and

2668
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:50,320
over the years

2669
01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:53,040
again many sightings we've had reports

2670
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:54,880
of some of the bridges of objects

2671
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:56,560
hovering near the bridges

2672
01:35:01,109 --> 01:34:59,440
in pittsburgh over the years

2673
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:01,119
we had one case up in what they call

2674
01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:03,840
squirrel hill early morning hours of a

2675
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:07,360
very large oval shaped luminous object

2676
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:09,840
that was hovering at an intersection

2677
01:35:12,070 --> 01:35:11,040
it was around three o'clock in the

2678
01:35:14,070 --> 01:35:12,080
morning

2679
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:14,080
and the witnesses actually made a police

2680
01:35:17,669 --> 01:35:15,679
report on which i got a copy of a police

2681
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:17,679
report so

2682
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:19,440
we had another case in daylight over one

2683
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:21,040
of the big malls in monroeville years

2684
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:23,280
ago of a very large i think it was like

2685
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:25,360
three school buses in length hovering

2686
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:26,960
right over top of the mall and different

2687
01:35:30,470 --> 01:35:29,280
people reporting seeing it

2688
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:30,480
so that's the kind of things that are

2689
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:31,600
going on

2690
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:34,320
and there's other very significant

2691
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:36,239
incidents i've been involved with ufos

2692
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:38,239
of very large objects very low the

2693
01:35:43,350 --> 01:35:40,639
ground there is no way that they could

2694
01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:43,360
be misidentification and yes over the

2695
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:46,000
years many ufo reports are investigated

2696
01:35:48,990 --> 01:35:47,199
we track down and there were

2697
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:49,000
explanations many are determined to be

2698
01:35:53,669 --> 01:35:51,280
misidentifications of natural or

2699
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:53,679
man-made objects but every year we have

2700
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:55,520
incidents coming in that you cannot

2701
01:35:59,430 --> 01:35:57,360
easily dismiss

2702
01:36:01,510 --> 01:35:59,440
right yeah that i think that's the case

2703
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:01,520
a lot of the time um here's another

2704
01:36:06,149 --> 01:36:03,600
question up there in the chat

2705
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:06,159
are there any interesting ufo

2706
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:08,239
and bigfoot cases where the witnesses

2707
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:10,560
have allowed their names to be disclosed

2708
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:12,560
or do all the witnesses want to be

2709
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:18,229
oh boy well you know what

2710
01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:20,159
over so many years

2711
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:22,159
and again a lot of witnesses now a lot

2712
01:36:26,629 --> 01:36:24,800
of these kids are now deceased but still

2713
01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:26,639
they want to know publicity so that's

2714
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:28,080
that's how it is and again that's what

2715
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:30,000
the majority of them is uh there are

2716
01:36:34,709 --> 01:36:31,760
some people and there i think there's a

2717
01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:34,719
few names in my book but very rarely

2718
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,840
um

2719
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:37,440
i can tell you the majority of witnesses

2720
01:36:40,629 --> 01:36:38,880
well i can give you one case and it

2721
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:40,639
wasn't a ufo bigfoot case but it was a

2722
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:43,199
bigfoot case and it was a good one

2723
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:44,639
and this was always one of my favorite

2724
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:46,560
case i wrote the whole story up in my

2725
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:48,320
cell invasion book during that massive

2726
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:51,360
wave of 73 is when this occurred this

2727
01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:53,600
occurred out near the little village of

2728
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:55,119
what they call whitney which is very

2729
01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:57,280
close to what is now the arnold palmer

2730
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:59,520
airport outside of latrobe and again

2731
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:01,679
very active very historically not far

2732
01:37:04,470 --> 01:37:03,679
from the chestnut ridge

2733
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:04,480
and

2734
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,080
years around that general area but

2735
01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:10,320
anyhow this occurred i believe it was

2736
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:12,880
the morning of september

2737
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:14,719
3rd yeah i think it was labor day

2738
01:37:19,669 --> 01:37:15,600
morning

2739
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:19,679
name this fellow's name was chester

2740
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:20,719
yathers

2741
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:22,639
chester did not believe in bigfoot in

2742
01:37:26,229 --> 01:37:24,080
fact the night before there was some

2743
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:26,239
news stories about it he was laughing

2744
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:27,600
out loud his neighbors were over there

2745
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:29,360
visiting and his wife was out there and

2746
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:31,119
they and they're all pretty much making

2747
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:32,480
fun of the story

2748
01:37:37,270 --> 01:37:35,040
so anyhow it's about 4 30 in the morning

2749
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:37,280
and he's in his mobile home in his way

2750
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:39,360
for sleeping and all of a sudden here's

2751
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:42,880
this big bump against his trailer

2752
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:44,960
and he thought he had he had a garage

2753
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:46,400
behind his house he had a nice antique

2754
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:47,600
car and he thought somebody was breaking

2755
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,920
in to get his car so he looks out the

2756
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:51,840
window and he can't believe what he's

2757
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:54,480
seeing so here's this huge creature on

2758
01:37:58,229 --> 01:37:55,920
the opposite side of the window so this

2759
01:38:00,550 --> 01:37:58,239
thing's no more than maybe two feet in

2760
01:38:01,430 --> 01:38:00,560
front of him but it has his back towards

2761
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:01,440
him

2762
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:03,040
he said this thing was at least eight to

2763
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:04,560
nine feet tall was higher than his

2764
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:05,679
trailer

2765
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:07,600
and it has his hands crossed like in

2766
01:38:12,229 --> 01:38:09,600
front of it and it's looking across to

2767
01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:12,239
the house across from him so it's right

2768
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:14,239
on his patio

2769
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:15,119
and

2770
01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:18,480
just amazed you couldn't believe we see

2771
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,560
him it's covered with black or dark

2772
01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:22,080
brown hair about two or three inches

2773
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:24,639
long arms are very very long got a

2774
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:26,480
really good look at this thing so anyhow

2775
01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:28,239
he goes over

2776
01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:31,040
now this fella was a retired coal miner

2777
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:33,119
and he had emphysema as i remember and

2778
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:34,639
he could he was having trouble breathing

2779
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:36,880
as i remember back in those days you may

2780
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:38,639
remember we had telephones with girl

2781
01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:40,719
operators and he awakens his wife and he

2782
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:42,480
said that thing they call bigfoot it's

2783
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:44,400
out on our patio so the wife goes over

2784
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:45,920
oh my god oh my god what are we going to

2785
01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:47,840
do so they find their way over to the

2786
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:49,440
phone they they hit the wall they bump

2787
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:51,280
the walls they're moving to the thumb he

2788
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:53,600
dials oprah operator

2789
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:55,679
and he tells the opry what happens he

2790
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:56,960
said we have an emergency that thing

2791
01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:58,880
they call bigfoot it's here at my house

2792
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:01,119
they connect them to the state police

2793
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:03,840
i heard the radio call go out

2794
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:05,440
they sent the state police out to the

2795
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:07,600
location when later the investigating

2796
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:09,280
officer contacted me to come out to the

2797
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:10,400
scene

2798
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:11,520
and

2799
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:16,480
troopers there as i recall he chester

2800
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:19,199
had cut his grass that evening so you

2801
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:21,520
had these large fresh impressions in the

2802
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:24,320
wet grass coming across the yard

2803
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:25,280
and

2804
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:28,639
road remember a couple of troopers

2805
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:30,320
followed it for a distance

2806
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:32,000
and i think i lost sight of the tracks i

2807
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:33,440
don't remember exactly what happened but

2808
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:35,040
at one point

2809
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:38,080
the fact suddenly stopped again abruptly

2810
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:40,159
and chester said to me very seriously

2811
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:42,560
said i don't understand how these tracks

2812
01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:44,239
could just disappear he said did these

2813
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:50,709
that that makes you wonder

2814
01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:53,040
uh you know but you go all the way back

2815
01:39:57,990 --> 01:39:56,000
to the skinwalker ranch and they talk

2816
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:58,000
about it there too the same thing

2817
01:40:03,430 --> 01:39:59,920
they're tracking someone's very good at

2818
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:03,440
tracking i had uh i had a

2819
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:05,520
a native american i'm trying to remember

2820
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:07,520
it from arizona talk about the same

2821
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:10,880
thing tracking something and over

2822
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:12,880
over on the other side of the stream a

2823
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:14,880
stream and it continues on and all of a

2824
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:18,000
sudden it's just like they stop the

2825
01:40:21,910 --> 01:40:20,159
footprints stop

2826
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:21,920
and they don't they're not like

2827
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:23,920
backtracked upon or anything they're

2828
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:24,719
just

2829
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,760
playing

2830
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:27,840
you know vanished

2831
01:40:31,830 --> 01:40:30,000
it's it's so bizarre something could

2832
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:31,840
have weight they could have like a

2833
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:33,360
physical being

2834
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:35,119
and then not

2835
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:37,040
not have that weight and not be there

2836
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:40,239
anymore it is really really strange

2837
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:42,239
i think it it just goes along the the

2838
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:44,560
lines of we know so little

2839
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:48,800
about what's going on around us really

2840
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:50,480
oh there's no doubt and and again here

2841
01:40:54,550 --> 01:40:52,080
in pennsylvania i remember over the

2842
01:40:56,629 --> 01:40:54,560
years i've had some fellows outdoors

2843
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:56,639
when hunters have come across tracks and

2844
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:58,320
i remember some of these people saying

2845
01:41:02,950 --> 01:41:00,880
they follow these tracks but then they

2846
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:02,960
physically change into another type of

2847
01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:08,470
even more bizarre

2848
01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:09,440
even

2849
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:11,920
there's a question up here are there any

2850
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:14,320
patterns detected yet when it comes to

2851
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:17,199
the witnesses or the time or locations

2852
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:20,239
in other words commonalities maybe other

2853
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:22,639
commonalities or uh when it comes to

2854
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:28,629
uh there's a well again you know quite

2855
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:30,400
often

2856
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:32,639
there's just like i talked about that uh

2857
01:41:36,310 --> 01:41:35,119
incident uh in january of this past year

2858
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:36,320
where you had several instances on the

2859
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:38,239
same day and

2860
01:41:41,109 --> 01:41:40,000
quite often you'll have other people

2861
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:41,119
calling in

2862
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:43,360
reporting something similar in the area

2863
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,880
not knowing about the other reports

2864
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:46,960
that's one thing that's common and again

2865
01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:49,119
while you have certain areas where you

2866
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:51,360
have more than normal activity

2867
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:52,400
and again

2868
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:54,800
sometimes this phenomena seems to focus

2869
01:41:57,669 --> 01:41:55,760
on

2870
01:42:02,709 --> 01:41:57,679
a particular

2871
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:02,719
reason some of these have a long history

2872
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:04,719
of these things happening with all kind

2873
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:06,400
of anomalies going on just like skin

2874
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:08,320
watch walker

2875
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:09,119
but

2876
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:10,639
let me give you an example here here's

2877
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:13,440
the case going back something summer of

2878
01:42:18,070 --> 01:42:15,440
1979

2879
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:18,080
an object falls from the sky into a big

2880
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:21,040
wooded area and soon after in that area

2881
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:24,080
people begin to hear screams they see

2882
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:26,400
small spheres of white excuse me they

2883
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:29,280
have bigfoot sightings and then in 81

2884
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:31,840
and 82 a lot of reports going on in

2885
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:33,040
these areas

2886
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:37,040
uh black panthers bigfoot sightings ufos

2887
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:39,360
uh all kind of weird things going on by

2888
01:42:43,750 --> 01:42:41,600
many many different people and actually

2889
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:43,760
it made the news it was picked up in one

2890
01:42:47,189 --> 01:42:45,280
of the big newspapers and actually one

2891
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:47,199
the local tv station did a story on and

2892
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,960
did it very seriously

2893
01:42:52,629 --> 01:42:50,480
that was the kind of things were going

2894
01:42:55,430 --> 01:42:52,639
on so you do sometimes have these

2895
01:42:57,430 --> 01:42:55,440
similar patterns there's some areas

2896
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:57,440
where you have cons i mean again certain

2897
01:43:01,990 --> 01:42:59,520
areas of the chestnut ridge

2898
01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:02,000
uh especially in westmoreland county

2899
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,320
year after year months after months even

2900
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:06,239
in recent weeks activity going on in

2901
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:07,679
certain areas

2902
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:08,719
and

2903
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:11,520
there there are some reason why

2904
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:13,760
this phenomena seems to focus on certain

2905
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:15,280
particular areas and we've been trying

2906
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:16,880
to figure it out but so far we have not

2907
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:18,800
been able to

2908
01:43:24,149 --> 01:43:21,600
yeah yeah now you talked earlier about

2909
01:43:26,470 --> 01:43:24,159
the chestnut ridge and i remember when

2910
01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:26,480
i've had you on the show before

2911
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:28,800
you told me that that was a very very

2912
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:31,760
active area and someone wanted to know

2913
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:32,560
here

2914
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,400
um do you believe that

2915
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:36,800
the chestnut ridge could be some type of

2916
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:38,400
portal

2917
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:40,080
i mean your guess is good as anyone

2918
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:41,840
else's

2919
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:44,480
yeah and again um that's something i i

2920
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:46,080
do get into in the new book believe it

2921
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:47,679
or not there's some really interesting

2922
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:49,040
pictures in there

2923
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:50,960
of some of the anomalies that are going

2924
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:52,400
on up there

2925
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:53,280
um

2926
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,199
one case

2927
01:43:58,870 --> 01:43:57,199
the landowner had property up there

2928
01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:58,880
where a lot of weird things were going

2929
01:44:02,550 --> 01:44:00,320
on for years

2930
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:02,560
and they know their trees they walk it

2931
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:04,719
all the time and there was an old old

2932
01:44:08,950 --> 01:44:07,040
tree that was hollowed out probably from

2933
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:08,960
lightning strike years before they had

2934
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:11,040
seen it many times but on this one

2935
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:12,400
particular day when they called me

2936
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:15,360
several years ago what baffled them was

2937
01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:18,000
inside of that old tree

2938
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:21,920
now upside down was a live tree roots of

2939
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:24,639
stuff deep inside the other tree

2940
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:27,199
and there's no other trees like that

2941
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:29,040
there was no indication of any damaging

2942
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:31,040
area no indication like a micro burst or

2943
01:44:34,229 --> 01:44:32,560
anything along that line

2944
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:34,239
it's just another one of those things

2945
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:35,760
that's very very weird there's a pretty

2946
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:37,600
interesting picture of it in the book

2947
01:44:40,310 --> 01:44:39,360
but other things like that have been

2948
01:44:41,910 --> 01:44:40,320
occurring

2949
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:41,920
and there are people who claim in

2950
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:44,000
certain areas they're seeing like some

2951
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:46,320
they call them portals they've seen some

2952
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:48,800
type of opening or doorway where they

2953
01:44:52,149 --> 01:44:50,400
believe these things might be coming

2954
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:52,159
going from so yeah we've been hearing

2955
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:53,600
those stories for years in different

2956
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:56,320
areas and up on the ridge

2957
01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:59,119
yeah um this uh one of the people in the

2958
01:45:03,990 --> 01:45:01,280
chat keeps asking about

2959
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:04,000
spirits if it's possible that these are

2960
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:06,960
spirits left over from extinct species i

2961
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:10,560
mean i don't know if anyone's ever uh uh

2962
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:12,719
you know came up with that thought or

2963
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:14,800
not have you ever heard of that as a one

2964
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:17,040
of the

2965
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:21,199
things may be

2966
01:45:25,990 --> 01:45:23,760
there are many theories out there i keep

2967
01:45:28,390 --> 01:45:26,000
an open mind all possibilities and again

2968
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:28,400
we have we haven't even touched on some

2969
01:45:32,950 --> 01:45:30,320
of the weird creature cases and things

2970
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:32,960
we dealt with in and again some of these

2971
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:35,119
thunderbird reports and again under that

2972
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:37,600
particular topic you know a lot of these

2973
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:38,480
things

2974
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:39,760
a lot of the creatures that people are

2975
01:45:43,750 --> 01:45:41,679
seeing they describe like a huge

2976
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:43,760
overgrown turkey vulture generally dark

2977
01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:46,400
brown or black in color massive wingspan

2978
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:48,639
something very low to the ground

2979
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:51,760
and then others have reported similarly

2980
01:45:58,149 --> 01:45:54,800
large featherless leathery like a huge

2981
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:58,159
giant gently black giant bat and then

2982
01:46:01,830 --> 01:46:00,000
there's other people and smoothies again

2983
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:01,840
a very credible witness swear they saw

2984
01:46:05,830 --> 01:46:03,760
something prehistoric that looked like a

2985
01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:05,840
pterodactyl or territory

2986
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:08,560
so it's very very complex

2987
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:09,760
and

2988
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:11,600
besides all those kind of reports you

2989
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:13,199
know you've got other

2990
01:46:17,910 --> 01:46:15,360
really strange creature sightings and

2991
01:46:19,109 --> 01:46:17,920
things of floating entity reports you

2992
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:19,119
know we talked about some of the black

2993
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:21,040
panther stuff there's all kind of weird

2994
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:22,560
things but

2995
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:25,119
i i think you told me that a fellow i

2996
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:26,560
called you earlier wanted to know about

2997
01:46:31,430 --> 01:46:29,040
incidents up around armstrong county

2998
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:31,440
and um here's an incident that's really

2999
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:32,880
interesting

3000
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:34,639
has become well known in this area now

3001
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:36,800
they call it the butler gargoyle

3002
01:46:39,669 --> 01:46:38,400
and i investigated this case back in

3003
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:39,679
2011.

3004
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:41,520
i've interviewed the witness many times

3005
01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:43,119
got to know him very well he's a he's a

3006
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:45,119
professional businessman

3007
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:47,760
so this in the morning on march 18 2011

3008
01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:50,159
he's um riding on this rural road it's

3009
01:46:52,830 --> 01:46:51,040
dirk

3010
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:52,840
between your core and east

3011
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:55,520
brady he notices to us right in the

3012
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:57,760
field some movement he thought it was a

3013
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:59,040
deer

3014
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:00,960
but suddenly this thing

3015
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:03,440
just rises up from the ground

3016
01:47:06,709 --> 01:47:05,360
and walks in front of this big yellow

3017
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:06,719
sign

3018
01:47:13,109 --> 01:47:10,800
at least eight foot tall

3019
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:13,119
and he realizes this thing is something

3020
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:14,960
very very unusual

3021
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:16,639
and he said when i interviewed him he

3022
01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:18,239
said you know people talk about bigfoot

3023
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:20,080
but he said this thing was not a bigfoot

3024
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:22,960
he said he had a humanoid figure it's at

3025
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:25,679
least eight feet tall but it it has a

3026
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:27,600
smooth level like skin that was either

3027
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:30,000
dark tan or a light brown color he only

3028
01:47:32,790 --> 01:47:31,679
saw it from the side and never looked at

3029
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:32,800
him

3030
01:47:35,830 --> 01:47:34,800
the head appeared to be kind of flat and

3031
01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:35,840
it was kind of shaped like an

3032
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:38,239
aerodynamic helmet as i recall

3033
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:40,400
and the fact the face was flat the eyes

3034
01:47:44,470 --> 01:47:43,119
were not clearly defined but uh appeared

3035
01:47:46,229 --> 01:47:44,480
to be pointed

3036
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:46,239
the ear was observed on the left side

3037
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:48,480
was long flat came up and the back was

3038
01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:50,800
pointed backwards like a flap the arms

3039
01:47:55,510 --> 01:47:52,960
were muscular and a little longer than

3040
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:55,520
that of a human it had claws

3041
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:56,880
on his hands

3042
01:48:00,390 --> 01:47:58,480
he said the one thing that really stood

3043
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:00,400
out was that

3044
01:48:05,590 --> 01:48:03,280
it had extremely muscular legs but the

3045
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:05,600
legs did not move like that of a human

3046
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:06,800
they looked like they were bent

3047
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:09,119
backwards but he said what was really

3048
01:48:12,629 --> 01:48:10,000
weird

3049
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:12,639
is that it appeared to have wings on its

3050
01:48:16,870 --> 01:48:15,040
back which were tucked into its body

3051
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:16,880
with the wingtips extending towards the

3052
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:18,560
side of the head

3053
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:20,480
and it took three big steps across the

3054
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:23,760
road and was gone within days

3055
01:48:28,870 --> 01:48:26,560
uh dan hagman up at the boru group up in

3056
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:28,880
that area had several other sightings by

3057
01:48:32,709 --> 01:48:31,520
other people describing the same thing

3058
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:32,719
geez

3059
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:35,840
crazy i i heard someone else talk about

3060
01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:37,760
something they had the legs looked

3061
01:48:40,629 --> 01:48:39,280
backwards like you're talking about

3062
01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:40,639
which is

3063
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:43,199
really doesn't even make sense as far as

3064
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:44,400
something

3065
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:47,280
you know uh being able to move

3066
01:48:50,310 --> 01:48:48,560
properly

3067
01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:50,320
uh here's a question that comes up a lot

3068
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:52,560
why is there never been a bigfoot

3069
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:54,560
skeleton ever

3070
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:57,760
uh you know discovered anywhere

3071
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:59,280
and that's exactly what i've been saying

3072
01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:00,560
for years you know if we're dealing with

3073
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:02,320
some type of unknown animal these

3074
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:04,639
sightings occur all over many parts of

3075
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:05,520
the world

3076
01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:07,760
similar type of reports and yet all

3077
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:09,440
these reports

3078
01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:11,280
you know you hear reports of body sound

3079
01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:13,360
but nobody ever finds the body

3080
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,199
people shooting at it but you never find

3081
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:17,760
a dead body well i have for so many

3082
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:20,080
years and so many locations year up here

3083
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:21,920
why hasn't body never been found but we

3084
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:23,760
talked about a few of those cases at

3085
01:49:28,709 --> 01:49:26,320
least one earlier this evening about the

3086
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:28,719
woman shooting one it very close range

3087
01:49:32,709 --> 01:49:30,639
with a shotgun it disappears in a flash

3088
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:32,719
of light that wasn't the only report

3089
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:35,040
like that and again it's not just

3090
01:49:38,229 --> 01:49:36,800
reports i've received there are many

3091
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:38,239
other well-known researchers out there

3092
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:40,480
and others are not well known who are

3093
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,639
receiving these same type of cases over

3094
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:44,480
the years from across the country and

3095
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:45,760
around the world

3096
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:47,840
these things are very strange whatever

3097
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:49,520
we're dealing with once again i think

3098
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:50,800
for a lack of a better term we're

3099
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:52,320
dealing with something that could be

3100
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:54,320
interdimensional i don't have the

3101
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:56,639
answers i don't think anybody does i i

3102
01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:58,159
think the government's been aware for a

3103
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:01,280
long time that the ufo phenomena

3104
01:50:03,750 --> 01:50:02,880
is much more

3105
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:03,760
uh

3106
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:05,920
sophisticated much more unusual than any

3107
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:07,280
of us understand i don't think the

3108
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:09,040
government has the answers either they

3109
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:10,719
know a lot more than telling the public

3110
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:12,719
they don't have the answers either and i

3111
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:14,560
think as they've been looking into it i

3112
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:16,400
think that they're they're finding there

3113
01:50:20,229 --> 01:50:18,320
may well be some association with these

3114
01:50:22,390 --> 01:50:20,239
other anomalies as well

3115
01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:22,400
yes i totally agree with you about that

3116
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:24,400
uh bill wants to know

3117
01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:26,719
why has a

3118
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:28,719
why has there never been like a tracking

3119
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:31,840
dog or hound ever uh cornering a cryptid

3120
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:33,760
or bigfoot

3121
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:35,840
or has there been one

3122
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:39,280
yeah and again in so many cases

3123
01:50:43,669 --> 01:50:41,920
when there's dogs in the area they just

3124
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:43,679
turn around and run away i mean there

3125
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:45,040
are so many cases

3126
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:46,000
yeah

3127
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:48,639
and in particular when they're close by

3128
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:50,639
they're just like paralyzed in fear in

3129
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:52,639
most cases they won't bark they should

3130
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:55,440
they tower they hide they won't move i

3131
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:57,520
mean that is very typical i've had so

3132
01:51:01,830 --> 01:50:59,760
many people who have described this type

3133
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:01,840
of thing in this type of response from

3134
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:04,480
dogs so that's one reason why that uh

3135
01:51:07,030 --> 01:51:05,360
this

3136
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:07,040
you don't uh have these type of cases

3137
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:08,719
that i'm aware of

3138
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:12,000
right um another uh question up here is

3139
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:14,719
has there ever been any bigfoot or any

3140
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:17,040
cryptid or whatever that kind of

3141
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:19,119
appeared like uh the mothman you know

3142
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,480
like uh like forewarning of some type of

3143
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:24,719
incident has has there ever been

3144
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:25,760
something

3145
01:51:31,589 --> 01:51:29,360
cited around an incident in in the scope

3146
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:31,599
of time

3147
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:34,080
uh actually again referring to my new

3148
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:36,400
book i actually have a case in there

3149
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:37,760
that has never been talked about

3150
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:39,520
publicly before

3151
01:51:43,109 --> 01:51:41,040
and it deals with

3152
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:43,119
something is similar to a mothman so

3153
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,560
yeah the mothman reports in west

3154
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:46,880
virginia back i believe in november of

3155
01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:48,960
66 and 67

3156
01:51:54,149 --> 01:51:51,920
i had heard rumors during that time that

3157
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:54,159
something similar

3158
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:55,520
had been occurring around the greater

3159
01:51:59,589 --> 01:51:57,199
pittsburgh but i could never track it

3160
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:59,599
down but years later

3161
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:01,199
i found a witness who had good

3162
01:52:06,229 --> 01:52:03,760
information on one particular incident

3163
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:06,239
and then years later i found this other

3164
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:08,239
person who is best friends with a

3165
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:10,000
witness and he gives a whole story in my

3166
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:13,520
new book and it's very very fascinating

3167
01:52:18,950 --> 01:52:16,480
and but are they um

3168
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:18,960
did they forewarn of events i i've heard

3169
01:52:23,270 --> 01:52:21,119
those stories i'm aware of the silver

3170
01:52:24,950 --> 01:52:23,280
bridge tragedy with point pleasant i've

3171
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:24,960
spoke down there for many times over the

3172
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:27,840
years of the mockman festival but it's

3173
01:52:31,750 --> 01:52:29,440
not something that's common with the

3174
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:31,760
cases i have but i'll tell you something

3175
01:52:35,109 --> 01:52:33,760
that is kind of interesting and this

3176
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:35,119
again is something most people never

3177
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:37,520
heard about the bigfoot it's very rare

3178
01:52:40,790 --> 01:52:39,280
here in my case in pennsylvania of the

3179
01:52:42,629 --> 01:52:40,800
hundreds i work on

3180
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:42,639
but around the country there are

3181
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:44,400
different people who swear

3182
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:46,880
a lot of hunters that bigfoot tried to

3183
01:52:51,510 --> 01:52:49,520
telepathically communicate with them

3184
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:51,520
and i can tell you this back years ago

3185
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:52,960
in the 80s

3186
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:55,599
i was out investigating uh with my team

3187
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:57,199
investigating a series of bigfoot

3188
01:53:01,350 --> 01:52:59,280
sightings down along the uh chestnut

3189
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:01,360
ridge where people said this creature

3190
01:53:05,109 --> 01:53:03,440
was coming down close to their property

3191
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:05,119
and i've been interviewing these people

3192
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:07,040
and one of the people in the group said

3193
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:09,840
reluctantly and was pretty shook up that

3194
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:12,639
this thing had tried to communicate

3195
01:53:17,430 --> 01:53:14,719
telepathically information

3196
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:17,440
while i was there while we were there

3197
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:19,920
this person is saying this creature is

3198
01:53:24,870 --> 01:53:22,639
telling me that tomorrow morning the

3199
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:24,880
next morning there will be a ufo

3200
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:26,719
incident over this certain town in

3201
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:29,760
indiana county about 15 miles away

3202
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:32,560
and early the next morning this strange

3203
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:34,480
unusual sound sounded like this thing

3204
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:37,199
was very low over top of that particular

3205
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:38,560
town

3206
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:41,440
did occur and it was unusual enough that

3207
01:53:44,790 --> 01:53:42,880
the police and the fire department were

3208
01:53:48,070 --> 01:53:44,800
called out and made the news

3209
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:48,080
how about that stan we are heck

3210
01:53:52,229 --> 01:53:50,159
i can't believe it we're out of time

3211
01:53:55,109 --> 01:53:52,239
right now but it's been a real pleasure

3212
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:55,119
as always thank you so much

3213
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,560
thank you very much if people want to

3214
01:54:00,790 --> 01:53:59,040
check my website at stan gordon dot info

3215
01:54:01,990 --> 01:54:00,800
and all my contact information is on

3216
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:02,000
there as well

3217
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:03,520
all right i'll make sure to link that in

3218
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:05,440
the show notes you take care and we'll

3219
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:07,520
talk to you again soon

3220
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:09,360
very good thanks for having me on you

3221
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:11,520
bet all right take care

3222
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:13,360
all right everyone so that is it for

3223
01:54:18,550 --> 01:54:14,880
tonight's show thanks so much for

3224
01:54:22,830 --> 01:54:18,560
hanging in and uh remember to uh check

3225
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:22,840
out nightmare houses uh over at

3226
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:25,360
nightmarehouses.com on that new podcast

3227
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:27,920
that just came out next week we have uh

3228
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:30,000
micah hanks will be on the show as a

3229
01:54:35,109 --> 01:54:32,800
guest i'll be on the road and be coming

3230
01:54:37,109 --> 01:54:35,119
from some location i have no idea where

3231
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:37,119
but anyway thank you for listening and

3232
01:54:40,850 --> 01:54:38,960
we'll see you next week remember to keep

3233
01:54:52,100 --> 01:54:40,860
your eyes to the sky